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   Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 22:03:12 JST Shadowman311
   It's over Apple bros
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     @birdulon @Boomerman @Shadowman311 @sickburnbro I've thought about trying those ports out. I just assumed the magnetic stuff is charging only, since thunderbolt speeds need all those pins free and clear.

     While I generally like type C, in laptops and tablets it seems awfully exposed and there just isn't much you can do to mitigate flex and bending at the port if you're in non-standard positions.

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @birdulon @Boomerman @Shadowman311 C isn't bad, but the problem is it is a small connector and won't stand up to long term abuse of people jiggling the connector, hitting it, etc.
     
     While A is rated for less connections, the larger size and stabilization pin help a lot with that.
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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @Shadowman311 @sickburnbro I've seen some companies add their own external stabilization/rigidity to otherwise flimsy connectors.
     Not too long ago I got some inline magnetic USB-C couplers and long heavy USB-C cables which showed some problems with my setup, but even plugging things in directly, the forces on the port get a bit scary and I have a few cables where the male end has a visible bend on it from cable sag. A bit of plastic holding it firmer in place sounds like a good preventative measure, and even better if it adds some secure locking with a screw or something that can wear and tear and be easily replaced separately to the hideously expensive active cable and the questionably replaceable internal port.
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     @birdulon @Boomerman @Shadowman311 @sickburnbro Oh what I would give for those old screw threads on HDMIs like we used to have on VGAs

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @Shadowman311 @sickburnbro >More durable & robust, for one.
     I'd say it's in appearance only. Plastic locking tabs on the old Lenovo and HP docks were very fragile and prone to breaking, the many-pin connectors for port replicators also weren't great for long-term cycling and my T60 will die on the spot requiring a full battery pull to reboot if things get a little jiggly with worn-out docks. I'm concerned about USB-C cycles too since I've seen some phones get a little loose, but the Aliexpress magnetic tips have given me a lot of confidence as a convenient sacrificial adapter to keep that wear down.
     
     Screw-lock connectors were pretty nice, I still use D-Subs for some personal electronic gear. They do have the perverse effect of being a bit too strongly attached when things go wrong though, which I wouldn't really want on a laptop in most situations (yeah yeah sometimes the laptop staying connected to something is more important than it not being flung to a hard surface, but that will more likely be a ruggedized work laptop than my personal one)
     
     >I really wanna have at least 1 port on each side of the laptop
     Same, I'd like 2 per side to be a common config just for flexibility, I won't even care if they put dumb restrictions on how many can be used at a time to achieve that.
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     @birdulon @sickburnbro @Boomerman @Shadowman311 More durable & robust, for one. I like a lot about type C but holy hell they look like ticking time bombs when you walk into an editing bay. doesn’t help that Apple probably didn’t solder in the receptacle for easy replacement, either. I suspect a bad type C port will require a full board replacement, in typical apple fashion.

     Older cables, enterprise gear has a lot of security built in that ensured you didn’t put too much stress on a connector, you had additional threading or locking to help alleviate stresses on it to increase port longevity. You see this catching on w/ headphones lately, too.

     Overall I’m loving type C ecosystem, but I really wanna have at least 1 port on each side of the laptop so I’m not on the road, screwed, when my single port gets ruined by some oaf yoinking the cable out sideways

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     @sickburnbro @Boomerman @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot what do you think traditional laptop docks did better than USB-C docks do now?
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     @birdulon @WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @Shadowman311 I mean, it only "delivers a one cable solution" because that form delivers everything you need right now. It's just a poor idea because all single cable solutions end up failing.
     
     usb-c is just because apple is psychotic about removing physical interfaces.
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     @sickburnbro @Boomerman @Shadowman311 I’m talking about the creatives whose rate card starts at 4 figures, the video guys keep showing up w/ the macbooks whenever I come across them. I have heard some say that the M-series stuff is good enough to function as a primary, though I doubt it.

     It would be funny of the whole ‘laptop dock’ concept finally comes into its own though

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @Shadowman311 @sickburnbro >I have heard some say that the M-series stuff is good enough to function as a primary, though I doubt it.
     For audiovisual work? Easily, assuming they're buying the higher RAM configs.
     
     As much as I loved chunky laptop docks with satisfying plop and release feedback, USB-C/Thunderbolt really delivers the one cable solution. Throw in a magnet tip and you have your power, display, peripherals hanging off a very convenient connector ready to rip and go at a moment's notice. Also cuts down on connector cycle anxiety, love these little magnetic tips.
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     @sickburnbro @Boomerman @Shadowman311 It really is a hell of a thing to see them go from a relatively expandable 2009 ‘pro’ chassis - which is what my studio contact is still using in his place AFAIK - up to a 2x trash can (non-expandible, total flop) and that STILL wasn’t enough. Now they’re what, $8k? For a glorified phone cpu?

     I know someone who got the can and he’s loved it, bought one when they came out and has been using it day-in, day-out for more than 10 years w/o issue. He thinks that people will be moving into that model if they wanna stay in the ecosystem, some creatives are switching over to older cans or that square mac mini ‘studio’ they came out with a while back.

     I kinda wonder how many of those guys you could peel away if you just polished up that autokey thingy in linux - if you could provide 90% of the mac OS shortcuts and workflow, how many would be happy to leave the plantation?

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @Shadowman311 most of the actual professional users that are dropping the 8k because of workflow and need to get stuff done would in a heartbeat.
     
     the "creatives" ones who are the glorified photoshop users types usually don't need those expensive systems and like it for how it looks on their desk.
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     @sickburnbro @Boomerman @Shadowman311 Guys aren’t picking systems clean slate though. When you have 10+ years of muscle memory, you’re fast w/ a work flow, going back to zero w/ a diff OS is pointless. Not worth the aggravation

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @Shadowman311 for sure; the thing to pay attention to is that Apple really massively overcharges for the pro stuff because they have a fairly captive audience like that, but the huge budgets are quickly disappearing from those industries.
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     @Boomerman @sickburnbro @Shadowman311 Really, REALLY depends on the industry. The mac ecosystem is popular w/ our guys because ipads are the only ones to run foreflight. Music production is largely apple from what I’ve seen, with video being a split depending on the cameras, the formats they like, etc. But overall, like 60-70% of the camera companies are mac users, to the point they drop $6,00 on the pro comps for rendering.

     IDK about graphic design anymore, I don’t get the impression they’re all that monolithic, seems like a bunch moved to tablets instead of computers anyways

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @Shadowman311 from what I've seen most of the music stuff runs fine on both nowadays, and it's a "I want to be seen" kind of thing - e.g. a dj wants to be seen using a mac (gay)
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     @Boomerman @WashedOutGundamPilot @Shadowman311 their non-pro end laptops are pretty common among "tech" people and "digital art" people. But those are only about 25% above a similar pc laptop.
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     @sickburnbro @WashedOutGundamPilot @Shadowman311 Im talking about outside their mainstays like laptops and phones. Who bought their desktop? Nobody.
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     @sickburnbro @WashedOutGundamPilot @Shadowman311 Who the fuck actually buys apple shit? Their desktop was ridiculous. I swear apple is all just bullshit and all they sell are laptops and phones. No one is paying 3500 bucks for this bullshit.
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     @Boomerman @Shadowman311 IDK since I only passively pay attention, but I’d bet the “Pro” denotes the use of their higher end processor, either the 8/10c M2 instead of their older M1.

     The whole thing is a real letdown, because there is some utility behind the idea for a particular brand of power user. Goggles with an infinite amount of screen space would be radical, or being able to have miles of footage while you’re editing. I’m not a fan of having to do that swap between active windows, want everything ready and at-hand all the time

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @Shadowman311 for 3500 you can buy 6 ultra widescreen monitors and a graphics card to drive it and have like 6'x4' of usable space.
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     @Shadowman311 My fave aspect of it was how they call it the “pro” but completely ignore any semblance of professional use. The most technical use they show is a guy staring at a “blueprint” of his surfboard design, while every other piece shows people using it as a content consumption device.

     The fact they kicked it off with a sterile home and careerist spinster seems to tell you everything you need to know: It’s for selfish people with money to burn

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Shadowman311 Pro also implies some sort of lesser or economy model. Its just something they say now. Some retard in corporate saw that other retards react to the word pro and buy. Also fuck apple theyre niggers and demanded 1500 bucks for some aluminum with a magnet on it.
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     @birdulon @WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @Shadowman311 I'm sure lot of chinese usb-C cables are not made to spec to save money
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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @Shadowman311 @sickburnbro Yes, it needs to be a magnetic connector that has all of the pins, unlike the charger or USB2.0 ones which only have 2 or four pins.
     
     It's a lot of pins in such a dense connector and a lot of wires in such a dense multicore cable, I recently had a "cheap" 3m USB4 cable start failing to handshake over what I can only assume was internal damage from very minor kinking (it was left loosely coiled then gradually pulled straight while moving the attached device around) and I can't think of any other consumer cable that seems this fragile. It's funny to think that it's like a 5mm thick version of those multicores which are like 15mm thick and still feel relatively fragile for stage wiring.