@Zergling_man@RustyCrab also im in this dichotomy of samsung or apple because i live in south korea and i absolutely do not want to use samsung phones and im not willing to go through the autism of ordering a google pixel online (they dont sell em here)
@Zergling_man@RustyCrab all phones are utter ass shattering garbage and you can't say otherwise. id rather have more soy fancy gui features if im forced to use a soy machine anyway
@diazepam@RustyCrab Actually the same thing happened to me a couple years ago. Didn't even send any excessive requests, just logged into my account from some fork of tgdesktop and got immediately logged out and deleted from all other clients. Still no idea what triggered that. Now I'm running a patched client with increased account limit and disabled sponsor messages in channels, yet none of that triggers it.
@diazepam@RustyCrab Get a second number, I guess, and keep exporting chat history whether needed, plus shill Jabber/Matrix/whatever to whoever you're talking to.
@RustyCrab@Pawlicker@Zergling_man@meso the biggest problem is their ISP running proprietary software to route their traffic. what are they going to do. shoot up Comcast and seize their logs? i know being extreme sounds like a 'trve bvsed&redpvlled gvntooman gigachvd' but the world doesn't operate on Stallman's foot cheese sadly.
@diazepam@meso@Pawlicker@Zergling_man I'm of the position that some proprietary stuff is either impossible or impractical to replace and you just need to understand how to mitigate risk from it.
All foss advocates do this whether they know it or not. To my knowledge there are no real consumer systems that don't run proprietary blobs in firmware.
@meso@Pawlicker@RustyCrab@Zergling_man i thought he didnt get the "what if you didnt eat breakfast yesterday" of putting oneself in others' shoe thing due to high functioning autism but i guess thats also a possibility. either way it just really sounds obnoxious for someone who has explored all possibilities of their software lifestyle and privacy.
@Zergling_man@Pawlicker@RustyCrab@meso ok fine ill bite. there are people that are mandated to use a piece of software that violates their privacy or it will get them fired or get their door blasted by the IRS. i get that you live in a relatively good environment where you can live a mostly fossful life but for some people it's just not possible ok.
@diazepam@Pawlicker@RustyCrab@Zergling_man He knows that, but one must advocate at the full extreme of his positions in order to drive change. if everyone was a pussy and was like well everyones got a different situation ykow man there would be no advocates. You have to provide the ideal example of the situation, and invite people on your side, at whatever extent of proprietary software is mandated in their life
@diazepam@meso@RustyCrab@Pawlicker 🤷 All I ever hear is excuses. I decided I wanted to do better so I did. Instead of thinking "I can't drop X thing", I just started with a clean, free slate and thought "I want something to solve X problem", and went to find it, and surprise, the solutions were always there.
@Zergling_man@Pawlicker@RustyCrab@meso :niggafat1::niggafat2::niggafat3: :niggafat4::niggafat5::niggafat6: <(its always your skill issue) :niggafat7::niggafat8::niggafat9: :fat1::fat2::fat3: :fat4::fat5::fat6: <(it werx on my masheen el em ay oh) :fat7::fat8::fat9:
@Zergling_man@Pawlicker@diazepam@meso I tried lineage and I really did not like it 1) no boot lock 2) no microg I can live for the most part without google services but Maps and a couple of apps from the play store are mandatory. I tried living with it for about a month and I'm sorry phones are not ready for the full foss experience.
@Pawlicker@diazepam@Zergling_man@meso ngl I need calyx to live at this point. I used to own a Samsung and they just ship SO MUCH BLOAT that you can't remove. They started putting random ads in push notifications and that was the last straw for me.
@meso@diazepam@Zergling_man I bought one thinking it would be fun to play around with. It can't go 6 minutes without crashing. It had a battery life of 20 minutes. The screen randomly goes black constantly and you have to do a hard reset.
I confronted the developers about this and their response was, and I quote "lmao yeah that happens"
@Zergling_man@RustyCrab im not going to use internet explorer and activex to manage my taxes and shit id rather do it on a phone ok. you have no idea how ancient the digital system here is
@diazepam@RustyCrab >a must here because [other people] This seems like a terrible reason to do anything. I just straight up do not talk to most people I know anymore because they refuse to support decent communication standards. If they need me, they can visit my house.
@Zergling_man@RustyCrab idk but you literally cant run proprietary apps (a must here because people all use this retarded messenger called kakotalk like japan where they use LINE, also i need mobile banking because dont even get me started on korea's activex situation) and the only thing ive seen people do on a pinephone was browse fedi with desktop firefox :niggainsane:
@diazepam@Zergling_man@Pawlicker@meso the absolute worst is when a company forces you to install some ridiculous spyware shit on your own phone that can literally read all your files. I bought a separate junk phone specifically for that
@Pawlicker@RustyCrab@diazepam Telegram happens to be popular as a general purpose messenger here, if you don't count boomers and churkas using WhatsApp.
@Moon@RustyCrab@Zergling_man theyre still getting rid of that shitstain but it aint going away anytime soon. also they use something called a public certificate which is some low-bit RSA private keyfile that u pay(!!!) to download and that thing requires installing kernel-level spyware on your machine that opens up a port, it's insane (the linux version of that thing bundles a compiled proprietary KERNEL MODULE for Ubuntu, aint no way im using that shit). im so fed up with the internet in general of my country which is why i run an i2p node and use fedi instead of shitass korean bbs forums.
@diazepam@RustyCrab@Zergling_man I highly suspect that the entire infrastructure is a shell game anyway. If you generate your key on a Windows machine without a TPM and you get a virus or have bad security then it's toast. And I bet they don't even generate the key on your machine. I need to find writeups on how this all supposedly works. I'm sorry you have to deal with that shit, it sounds like a nightmare.
@RustyCrab@Moon@Zergling_man nobody actually knows what it does but it's an absolute marvel of engineering. it's called a "security app" but all it does is send unencrypted (!!!) json with your private key(!!!!!) to some random http server of the company that developed it. it raises my blood pressure just by thinking of it :niggaabyss:
> what you didn't read is that i need Play Store/App Store only apps that won't let you use them without actually downloading them from the store such as the defacto messaging app and mobile banking
Alright, tell me which ones are, let's see if this is true.
@jihadjimmy@Pawlicker@RustyCrab@Zergling_man@meso >Your're a self-proclaimed "proprietary minimalist" even though you're too fucking lazy to even get a shitphone that allows to remove the default walled garden, sure thing buddy what you didn't read is that i need Play Store/App Store only apps that won't let you use them without actually downloading them from the store such as the defacto messaging app and mobile banking which the only alternative is to use activex garbage with actual kernel-level spyware on a PC. i did not mention they have meticulous measures to block stuff like custom roms which concretes my argument further but it's irrelevant considering that you weren't attacking that part of my argument. >I genuinely feel sorry for you now. you better be, it's not fun here
> i don't know where you live but it's not easy to just quit a job and get a new one especially where RustyCrab' lives(America, west coast).
Hence why I said do that if possible.
> RustyCrab and I have mentioned that i and him are both "proprietary minimalists" which means we try to use the LEAST amount of proprietary software absolutely needed to live on and not get fired or get our ass blasted by the IRS.
> you haven't read anything in the thread
That's a fair point, lemme scroll up a bit:
> also im in this dichotomy of samsung or apple because i live in south korea and i absolutely do not want to use samsung phones and im not willing to go through the autism of ordering a google pixel online (they dont sell em here) >> i and him are both "proprietary minimalists"
Your're a self-proclaimed "proprietary minimalist" even though you're too fucking lazy to even get a shitphone that allows to remove the default walled garden, sure thing buddy. You can't really expect me to take you seriously with that statement when you use malware-infested toy phones by choice, unless South Korea has outlawed not having Samsung/Apple/Google accounts which I'm surprised if they didn't yet knowing how degenerate that country is.
@jihadjimmy@Pawlicker@RustyCrab@Zergling_man@meso >consider getting another job i don't know where you live but it's not easy to just quit a job and get a new one especially where RustyCrab' lives(America, west coast). not to mention they'll ask you about your "career gap" or some bullshit. >you can bet your ass it doesn't justify running other nonfree crap that isn't imposed onto you and it never will, yet I can bet you do anyways because that's what most people with this kind of take do. RustyCrab and I have mentioned that i and him are both "proprietary minimalists" which means we try to use the _LEAST_ amount of proprietary software absolutely needed to live on and not get fired or get our ass blasted by the IRS. you haven't read anything in the thread and you're just sperging out nonsense due to your raging high-functioning autism. i highly recommend seeing a psychiatrist and getting prescribed Lamictal or Depakote to calm down. >Now go back to Pisscord or kill yourself, either is good for me, faggot. i dont use discord and it's hilarious how you resort to ad hominem because you think people can live on with only using gnuware and have decided you can just resort to actual reddit-tier arguments. maybe you do but people aren't always in the same situation as you. how would you feel if you haven't eaten breakfast yesterday?
@jihadjimmy@Pawlicker@RustyCrab@Zergling_man@meso ok mr little stallman since you really want a detailed exact longpost of how being mandated proprietary software (either for someone's job or being actually legally mandated for me) has anything to do with his post "🤷 All I ever hear is excuses." since i am not in a good mood.
He responded "All I hear is excuses" because i poked fun at him saying it's one's skill issue when he doesn't exactly know what situation they're in. does he use the same device as him? does he work the same job as him? so let's begin here. RustyCrab mentioned that Lineage didn't have MicroG which is a free implementation of Google services. he said he needs to use Maps and some couple of apps from the Play Store. let's say he does not use the apps and lives as some "Trve bvsed gvntooman". He will either get fired or not be able to live his life normally. Is that what you want? I was saying that people need _SOME_ fucking proprietary software in order to live their lives. this is what you are replying to. QED you absolute subzero IQ subhuman. any questions?
> He will either get fired or not be able to live his life normally. Is that what you want?
If a company mandates that you need a shitphone at all or to install Google Services, Google Play Store and download a nonfree, Play Store specific app or whatever stupid shit you should definitely consider getting another job (they exist), but even if you can't and you have to deal with it, you can bet your ass it doesn't justify running other nonfree crap that isn't imposed onto you and it never will, yet I can bet you do anyways because that's what most people with this kind of take do.
Now go back to Pisscord or kill yourself, either is good for me, faggot.
The kind of people that brings this shit up means it as justification to run pointless and unnecessary nonfree malware like Wangblows and soygames. Now tell me exactly how this stupid take of yours has anything to do with what he said.
@diazepam@Pawlicker@RustyCrab@Zergling_man@jihadjimmy@meso to throw one more hat in the ring, the banking app for my current bank (a local credit union) refuses to work on rooted phones, might also refuse to work on cfw but I never ran the app on cfw to check
I literally just typed the word "autism" to point out your fixation with round numbers is due to autistic tendencies, neither good nor bad, don't overthink it retard.
I'm beginning to think you're somehow convinced anything you say upsets me but it's far from true, I genuinely do not care. If anything, you seem to be seething just because I said the word autism and you implied it was derogatory.
@RustyCrab@diazepam@Zergling_man@meso > It can't go 6 minutes without crashing. It had a battery life of 20 minutes. You have not used one in 3 years it seems
@RustyCrab@diazepam@Zergling_man@meso As i understand the og last's like 2-4 hours deeding on what you do, the can now also do the same if you add the megi patch. I still need to by an og the pro is way less ready that the og.