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   Mike McCue (mike@flipboard.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 05:59:04 JST Mike McCue

   • Eugen Rochko

   One of the big things @Gargron talks about in this interview is his experience with #XMPP and whether or not the embrace, extend, extinguish playbook would work in the #fediverse. This discussion happens at minute 41

   https://flipboard.video/w/cTBu4HusskGTuPBahqm6WY

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     Mike McCue (mike@flipboard.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 06:12:26 JST Mike McCue

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     • Dr. Seltsam

     @DrSeltsam what app and/or browser are you using?

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     Dr. Seltsam (drseltsam@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 06:12:28 JST Dr. Seltsam

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @mike @Gargron sadly, the stream doesn't work :(

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     Mike McCue (mike@flipboard.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 07:24:58 JST Mike McCue

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     • Dr. Fyzziks
     • Lon Seidman / Lon.TV ☑️
     • err head :pc2black: 🏴‍☠️ ✂️

     @errhead @drfyzziks @Gargron @lonseidman ok, we adjusted things on peertube. is it playing for you now?

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     err head :pc2black: 🏴‍☠️ ✂️ (errhead@podcastindex.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 07:24:59 JST err head :pc2black: 🏴‍☠️ ✂️

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     • Lon Seidman / Lon.TV ☑️

     @drfyzziks @mike @Gargron @lonseidman

     Works fine on my home computer and phone. It's failing on my work computer but i'm sure that's entirely due to their insanely aggressive firewall policy.

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     Dr. Fyzziks (drfyzziks@makervine.net)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 07:25:00 JST Dr. Fyzziks

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     • Lon Seidman / Lon.TV ☑️

     @mike @Gargron Can confirm. Playback issues on both Safari 17.2 and Firefox 120.01 on macOS 14.2. The initial thumbnail loads, but when I click play I just get a spinning loading indicator. Seems to be specific to the Flipboard Peertube instance - I don’t run into this issue when playing video back on other instances, like @lonseidman’s https://peertube.lon.tv.

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     Mike McCue (mike@flipboard.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 07:31:48 JST Mike McCue

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     • Dr. Seltsam

     @DrSeltsam should be working now.

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     Mike McCue (mike@flipboard.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:22:13 JST Mike McCue

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • ティージェーグレェ

     @teajaygrey @Gargron Thanks for sharing and good points.

     I used to work with JWZ at netscape. He's one of those negative positive people that makes big things happen while telling everyone "we're doomed"

     I agree with your point that things have been adversarial on email. But even so, email still just works independent of the client or server or protocol and it probably always will... albeit with some whacky incompatibly for some extraneous features.

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     ティージェーグレェ (teajaygrey@rap.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:22:14 JST ティージェーグレェ

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @mike It seems as if @Gargron missed the time when Micro$oft's Exchange (their "email") server broke IMAP support with pine (y'know, the REFERENCE IMAP client)?

     Heck, even I missed that until Tim Newsham pointed it out to me, because even though I was working somewhere as a Network Security Specialist and was administering (at the time Exchange 2003) I wasn't testing it with other IMAP clients, because I wasn't getting paid to do that and was using elm/mutt/etc. on my UNIX shells elsewhere.

     So, not too sure if email is really a strong counter example for the "embrace extend extinguish" paradigm? I mean, sure SMTP (and even UUCP) server and client implementations exist in abundance, but you don't have to look very far to see how some of the big surveillance capitalism bullies have made it very adversarial.

     e.g.
     https://www.jwz.org/blog/2023/12/gmail-sucks-water-is-wet/

     https://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/05/google-has-most-of-my-email-because-it-has-all-of-yours/

     https://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/

     https://www.jwz.org/blog/2023/09/today-in-email-hegemony/

     https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/09/the-oligopoly-has-won/

     https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/08/today-in-google-broke-email/

     Last I checked, Micro$oft still *prefers* that Outlook uses MAPI (their own, proprietary BS with Exchange which other companies such as Zimbra have gone to significant lengths to reverse engineer with their ZCO [Zimbra Connector for Outlook]).

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     Mike McCue (mike@flipboard.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:30:39 JST Mike McCue

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     @gabek @Gargron @teajaygrey 100%

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     Gabe Kangas (gabek@social.gabekangas.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:30:40 JST Gabe Kangas

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     • Eugen Rochko
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     @mike @teajaygrey @Gargron I wouldn't want jwz any other way.