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   Ben Werdmuller (ben@werd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 06:09:36 JST Ben Werdmuller

   Interesting: I got an email from an advertising rep at X about selling ads to "reach my goals" for my account, which has a relatively modest 7.5K followers and, more importantly, has been regularly posting a reminder that Elon Musk supports white supremacy and that you should follow me elsewhere.

   So, uh, I think they're desperate and spamming pretty much everyone.

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   ティージェーグレェ (teajaygrey@rap.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 12:22:14 JST ティージェーグレェ

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   @mike It seems as if @Gargron missed the time when Micro$oft's Exchange (their "email") server broke IMAP support with pine (y'know, the REFERENCE IMAP client)?

   Heck, even I missed that until Tim Newsham pointed it out to me, because even though I was working somewhere as a Network Security Specialist and was administering (at the time Exchange 2003) I wasn't testing it with other IMAP clients, because I wasn't getting paid to do that and was using elm/mutt/etc. on my UNIX shells elsewhere.

   So, not too sure if email is really a strong counter example for the "embrace extend extinguish" paradigm? I mean, sure SMTP (and even UUCP) server and client implementations exist in abundance, but you don't have to look very far to see how some of the big surveillance capitalism bullies have made it very adversarial.

   e.g.
   https://www.jwz.org/blog/2023/12/gmail-sucks-water-is-wet/

   https://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/05/google-has-most-of-my-email-because-it-has-all-of-yours/

   https://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/

   https://www.jwz.org/blog/2023/09/today-in-email-hegemony/

   https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/09/the-oligopoly-has-won/

   https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/08/today-in-google-broke-email/

   Last I checked, Micro$oft still *prefers* that Outlook uses MAPI (their own, proprietary BS with Exchange which other companies such as Zimbra have gone to significant lengths to reverse engineer with their ZCO [Zimbra Connector for Outlook]).

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   Yasowo :agender_flag:🏳️‍⚧️ (yassie_j@0w0.is)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 02:44:26 JST Yasowo :agender_flag:🏳️‍⚧️

   I understand why people are surprised by Mozilla pushing for AI, but it’s not really unexpected.

   But but Mozilla are a not-for-profit!!! That’s… Mostly accurate. Mozilla is a not-for-profit corporate organisation. They are not a charity. Mozilla also are still subject to the same market pressures as Google and Zucc, exist in San Francisco, and most crucially still need to pay their staff in accordance with the competition. People can certainly work for Mozilla due to ideals, but nobody would work for significantly less for doing a job that pays more elsewhere.

   So why is it not a surprise to me? Mozilla still needs to make money. The money may be ploughed back into the foundation, but they still need investors, paying customers, etc. A large chunk of Firefox revenue comes from the fact Google pays Mozilla big bucks to be the default search operator.

   Despite it being the less unethical choice than Chrome, Firefox (and Mozilla) is only being kept alive by this bribe from Google. Firefox only exists to be controlled opposition, so that Google can tell regulators that the browser space is full of healthy competition.

   Mozilla’s AI push, IMHO, is predicated on that solely: Mozilla is terrified of what happens if Google pulls the plug and so needs to fill that gap with something marketable.