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   ophiocephalic 🐍 (ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Dec-2023 14:10:54 JST ophiocephalic 🐍

   • Darnell Clayton :verified:
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   @jdp23 @tokyo_0 @misc @kylethayer @dalias @darnell
   Perhaps there needs to be more advocacy of the *idea* of a democratic fedi before people begin to prioritize it. There's not a great deal of precedent for it right now

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     Kyle Thayer (kylethayer@hci.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Dec-2023 16:05:18 JST Kyle Thayer

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     @ophiocephalic @jdp23 @tokyo_0 @misc @dalias @darnell Also to tie back to before with the pain of switching instances:

     Graeber and Wengrow in The Dawn of Everything mention 3 social freedoms:
     1. Freedom to move
     2. Freedom to disobey
     3. Freedom to try new social arrangements

     The current fediverse seems technically well suited for #3, I don't know how to apply #2 here, and the fedi is very limited in #1. If your identity and posts were more movable, I think that would make a big difference.

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     Kyle Thayer (kylethayer@hci.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Dec-2023 16:05:19 JST Kyle Thayer

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     @ophiocephalic @jdp23 @tokyo_0 @misc @dalias @darnell I wholeheartedly agree that I want more buy-in for democratic fedi practices.

     I also want people in charge to make decisions for me! E.g., I don't want to debate and vote on every single blocking decision.

     What I do want is democratic accountability, and, for important issues, debates/votes.

     Also, I'm for group governance (when feasible), rather than all the weight of an instance (or project) on single individuals.

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     Kyle Thayer (kylethayer@hci.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 01:41:25 JST Kyle Thayer

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     @ophiocephalic @jdp23 @tokyo_0 @misc @dalias @darnell

     One more thought on democratic processes on the fedi:

     If we make democratic decisions based on the current (mostly white/tech/male) users, we could easily make the fedi more and more biased, exclusive, and insular.

     So some projects and decisions that are unpopular with current fedi users are actually super important, as is @kissane's listening to non-users: https://erinkissane.com/mastodon-is-easy-and-fun-except-when-it-isnt