si_irini
@MaJ1
@HistoPol
@mina
@evelynefoerster
Help me out, friends.
threads is at the Fedi.
I'm wondering if I should block the entire instance...
With what I'm writing, I can't accept stupid and malicious comments, which would be fatal for some people...and we know how users are on other platforms.
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si_irini
@MaJ1 @HistoPol @mina @evelynefoerster
i have found on gargron a user from threads
mosseri
i had a look and shake my head
but it is good, so i can easy block the instance...😂
si_irini
@MaJ1 @HistoPol @mina @evelynefoerster
There are only a couple accounts federated, but I always work with the local TL in the advanced web interface. I have concerns about liking something that comes from them, so that some fool gets to read my stuff because he wonders who likes something.
Am I worrying for nothing?
Am I exaggerating?
I mean, there aren't that many people who read and share my stuff...how high is the probability that someone will read it and then manage to write a evil comment?
si_irini
@MaJ1 @HistoPol @mina @evelynefoerster
We all know how evil some can be.
Imagine someone is going to find "only he" and unfortunately I know what some are able to answer.
Besides, I wonder, if I block the instance and someone who doesn't share one of my poems what happens then and finally you can copy out my stuff anyway. . .
I'm really confused and I don't know what to do, actually I had decided to block the entire instance if they show up here. .
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
@si_irini
You are right to be concerned about unqualified comments. The mere number of new users, all unaware of #Mastodon #netiquette, that is coming to the #Fediverse through #Threads constitutes a cultural shock. I call them, therefore, the #MetaHordes, likening them to the #Hun invasion of the 7th century.
We had a discussion about this with @2ndStar that you might find useful, as well as detailed instructions on how to #BlockMeta.
DrAlexandraK
@si_irini @MaJ1 @HistoPol @mina @evelynefoerster
it takes a while to figure out that Mastodon is FULL OF ALT RIGHT ASSHOLES...especially in the admins... so I never had time to study how it all works here, and had 3 profiles until I could find out where I belong..mast science suspended me with no warning or options because they are fascist zionists that will not allow any neg comment about Israeli war criminal Netanyahoo
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
Please keep me updated on this, Mina. I experienced considerably more trolls, and unnerving ones at that, on the #DeadBirdsite, though not a huge number in total.
One that has reach and calls you out from.a prominent handle can be enough.
It very much depends on your content, OFC.
@evelynefoerster @si_irini @MaJ1
Mina
Tbh, I never really had issues with trolls on any social network (no, also not on Twitter), which couldn't be solved by blocking (and reporting, if adequate) the user (or the fediverse instance, if the instance's purpose was simply trolling).
With Threads, I plan to keep it that way.
Should it turn out to be a snakes' nest, I can still block them as a whole in the future.
Eve :verified:
@si_irini @MaJ1 @HistoPol @mina
I experience one or two trolls. I block - and very important: report them. You can always report people that are mean or write stuff that breaks the rules - these shall get a warning, and if they keep doing it, eventually get banned.
si_irini
@HistoPol @2ndStar @MaJ1 @mina @evelynefoerster
I agree with you 100%
I am nowhere near your reach or that of others, only a few bother to read my huge texts or poems.
What is the probability that someone will read it from them?
It is very low.
I would block this instance as a matter of principle and I think many people should do so.
I'm also wondering what about someone who reads something from there and would it help them?
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HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
@si_irini
You really ought to read #TimChambers article again.
Massive data extraction through #screenscraping has been happening for years:
https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/111575306870943698
The only real defense is complete anonymity and deleting old posts after a week or so (the latter being unacceptable to me.)
Someone has been creating a meta-searchendine for the #Fediverse. He respects #nobots (and something else.)
Don't recall the name @ present.
si_irini
I recently blocked the threads server, I then tested if I could see the server at all. I could still see the server and users, but I don't know if they can see me.
What happens if the server blocks it, can the users still see anything from threads?
Honestly, it's kind of annoying....
I'm away from this toxic and then it haunts you, damn....
I am currently looking for a server
But I want one where I can write a lot more.
Incorrigible Maker
@si_irini @mina @evelynefoerster @MaJ1 @HistoPol
Thanks! Unfortunately my home server has not chosen to block Threads so I will be looking for a new server in the next few weeks.
Also unfortunately, in the past couple days at least one major server admin has reconsidered blocking & has now decided to "allow our users to decide on an individual basis". 🥺
si_irini
You're 100% right
I am thinking of switching to an instance, the instance already blocks threads on the side and thus is not in any contact with them.
There are some instances that see this the same way you and I see it.
I have received a list that lists which server directly blocks Meta
si_irini
take a look at that
si_irini
Yes, I don't want that either
But as you can see, this is accepted too quickly, even by the admins, and presented to us as a great and positive development
Incorrigible Maker
@si_irini @mina @evelynefoerster @MaJ1 @HistoPol
They seem blind to the ugliness that is Meta. Threads has stated in their policy that they will harvest data from/about anyone who even indirectly interacts with any of their members. It will be almost impossible to avoid indirect interactions through links of follower/followed. Once the Fediverse is infected by Threads it will become another Meta resource
Incorrigible Maker
@mina @evelynefoerster @si_irini @MaJ1 @HistoPol
It is my understanding that once Threads federates, that corp (and Meta) will have access to all of the metadata about other federated entities unless blocked by the server. Too late to block at the user level after they have already harvested the data. I do not want my data exposed in any form to entities such as Meta which is a known bad actor.
si_irini
Yes that's a good solution, but I've received a lot of answers now and I think switching instances is a good idea.
They can read the posts even though you block this instance...
You have to make changes to the authorized fetch...or something like that
I am not familiar with such things, but it makes sense to me that it is the most effective if you switch to a server that says NO to threads quite openly.
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HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
Beware.
When you #ChangeInstances b/w #Mastodon servers, you will lose *all* your posts and all answers.
You cannot migrate them.
Snowshadow 🇨🇦
@mina @evelynefoerster @si_irini @MaJ1 @HistoPol
Here's a link you might be interested in reading, look at the name of the author--he should know what he is talking about:
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
si_irini
Thank you 🙂 ❤️
Snowshadow 🇨🇦
@si_irini @mina @evelynefoerster @MaJ1 @HistoPol
Funny. I just saw a post and conversation with him, and now I am not so sure about this. I am ready to migrate if necessary. In the meantime I blocked threads.
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
Your reply to this?
How do you make sure that content from a handle that blocks all #Meta instances does no show up on a #threads instance through replys?
Snowshadow 🇨🇦
@HistoPol @si_irini @mina @evelynefoerster @MaJ1
I know. thanks for the warning. I would prefer to lose my posts and replies than lose my sanity trying to cope with the haters coming in the tidal wave of Threads.
There are many very nice vulnerable people here who fled Meta because of horrible comments. Personally, I refuse to stand around and watch the people I respect and value be hurt.
And I don't want to see the boosting of hateful posts/replies into my timeline.
Meta can @#$%# off!
MaJ1 🐿️
@HistoPol @Gargron @OlDude82 @si_irini @mina @evelynefoerster @MaJ1 I think that public posts are just that - public.
I treat SM like going down the pub:-
Your gonna be overheard.
Your shit might get shared.
If your not polite folk will object.
People will be noisy,but thats fine.
People will act silly😆
If your start a fight expect to be barred.
Be nice to the Landlord & you might be invited to the lock in😊
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
@mina
Yes, I see this kind of convo very frequently on #Mastodon.
I really hope that it will be thus (apart from screenshotting.)
Mina
Shouldn't this content be invisible from the Meta instance?
I have seen replies to toots, with the toot to which it replied being invisible. The most you get to see is the original poster's handle.
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
@mina
Exactly.
You can't really repost them.
They are lost to the public, even for the Fedi folks, as OFC U need to delete your old handle to be somewhat safe.
Mina
You can save the data, but I haven't found a good way to access them afterwards, yet.
BTW: Twitter archives are also terrible for offline use.
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
(1/2)
I agree very much.
I hope that blocking all #Meta sites will achieve this 99.9%.
I can deal with 1 in 1000. 😉
Maybe this could backfire for #SuckerBerg?
As @pluralistic pointed out in his much-applauded speech* this summer, people on #SocialMedia face a lock-in, because all their contacts are there. So, it becomes some sort of a ##HotelCalifornia, from which "you can never leave."
By adopting #ActivityPub on...
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
@Snowshadow @pluralistic @si_irini @mina @evelynefoerster @MaJ1
(2/n)
...#Threads, #SuckerBerg might have just opened a "back 🚪door," from which people can leave with their contacts without begging the product, without compromising their privacy while still remaining in contact with their followers and the people they follow.
This is why I support the approach outlined by @tchambers in his article*, except that I block on an account level.
This way, we...
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
@Snowshadow @pluralistic @si_irini @mina @evelynefoerster @MaJ1 @tchambers
(3/3)
...we can use our instances as a new form of "Trojan click bait bait" that people can find interesting to follow outside of the #Meta megabubble.
People willing to be open to the #Meta instances need to advertise the advantages of a native #Fedi account then.
I might even set up a secondary account from which to interact without compromising my primary one that I can easily trash if things turn sour...
//
Snowshadow 🇨🇦
@HistoPol
Thank you for posting your reply. Excellent ideas. I appreciate this. 😊 @pluralistic @si_irini @mina @evelynefoerster @MaJ1 @tchambers
si_irini
Someone suggested to me to create a second account
They won't have stopped at my account and they won't do it anyway. But I thought about starting over on another server, which already has suspended threads at server level. Of course there are many more....
The current account will remain and I will only delete older things as I have far too many posts as I share a lot.
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
@Snowshadow
Very welcome.
This fight of ideas for the internet might actually be much more important than we currently realize...
@pluralistic @si_irini @mina @evelynefoerster @MaJ1 @tchambers
Snowshadow 🇨🇦
Yes, I agree. Could you imagine what the internet would be like if hard right wing billionaires controlled it in its entirety? Look at the dumpster fire Xitter for example. They would have control of everyone's mind.😰
@pluralistic @si_irini @mina @evelynefoerster @MaJ1 @tchambers
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