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   George Takei :verified: 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽 (georgetakei@universeodon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 01:37:34 JST George Takei :verified: 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽

   Trump knows what he’s doing when he calls his enemies “vermin” in his speeches and online. He’s dehumanizing them. This has happened to my community twice in my lifetime: once during World War II, and again during the pandemic. It is so dangerous, and Trump knows it. He’s preparing his base to do things that you can’t do to other humans, only to subhumans. Be warned. Be vigilant.

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     birdpoof (birdpoof@universeodon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 01:40:05 JST birdpoof

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     @georgetakei

     This is urgent.
     Truly, all hiring companies and agencies should be vetting the opposite way.

     https://mastodon.social/@GottaLaff/111404156996976596

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 01:40:32 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @georgetakei To be fair it is no worse than what the left has done to him. They have called him that and worse.

     That said I dont particularly mind dehumanizing someone who doesnt act human (compassion towards their fellow man)... So dehumanize away, at worst ill judge you on who you target (as im sure Trump is targeting anyone who doesnt support him it is that aspect that speaks against him for me).

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     @realcaseyrollins

     The criteria was stated, acting human here means "compassion to your fellow human"...

     @georgetakei

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 01:44:43 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @freemo @georgetakei IDK, dehumanizing anyone is rarely a good idea, and “doesnt act human” is quite subjective criteria.

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     • darreninthenet

     @darreninthenet I disagree on the compassion. He is worthy of compassion because without it we are no better than him. He just isnt to be seen as humanized ( a member of society). But compassion should always be universal... Tolarance I agree with you, we dont have to tolerate him.

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo @georgetakei tolerance and inclusivity isn't just a set of morals, it's also a social contract - Trump and his like aren't entitled to the benefit of compassion and tolerance as he is operating outside that social contract.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 01:57:41 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • RodneyPetersonTalentAgency

     @RodneyPetersonTalent Oh I have no intention of making it subtle..

     I lean left but am decidedly close to center and am more than happy to adopt some right-wing points among my overall left-wing stance.

     Points to you though for trying to weapoinize someone having opinions that dont 100% line up wuith yours as if people are trying to hide it, I dont hide it.

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     RodneyPetersonTalentAgency (rodneypetersontalent@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 01:57:46 JST RodneyPetersonTalentAgency

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     • darreninthenet

     @freemo @darreninthenet

     Freemo is either ignorant or a closet asshole. A number of posts on his page appear to support right wing viewpoints although as subtly as possible.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:00:38 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @RodneyPetersonTalent

     You mean the part where I think all abortions should be free and tax paid? Or we just going to leave that part out?

     A giveaway to what? That I have views that arent entierly in line with the left or the right? Yea no shit, im pretty vocal about being a left-leaning centrist... Good work there sherlock.

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     RodneyPetersonTalentAgency (rodneypetersontalent@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:00:39 JST RodneyPetersonTalentAgency

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     @freemo

     Your stance on abortion is a fucking giveaway you piece of shit.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:04:02 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @CaptainJanegay @georgetakei

     Agreed entierly, which is basically what I was saying. Dehumanizing isnt itself bad, depends on the nuance and context.

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     Captain Janegay 🫖 (captainjanegay@mastodon.coffee)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:04:04 JST Captain Janegay 🫖

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo @georgetakei It's very different. What's being referred to here is the dehumanisation of a class of people, in a manner which is recognised as the fourth step of genocide. There's a big difference between insulting a person by calling them an animal, and using similar words to flatten an entire group of people into a faceless mass.

     https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/what-is-genocide/the-ten-stages-of-genocide/

     I recommend reading about the Rwandan genocide in particular, and the very significant role played by talk radio.

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     RodneyPetersonTalentAgency (rodneypetersontalent@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:06:07 JST RodneyPetersonTalentAgency

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     @freemo

     10 week limit, that’s the giveaway. Plus you don’t even live in the U.S.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:06:07 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • RodneyPetersonTalentAgency

     @RodneyPetersonTalent

     So now not living in the USA means I dont have a right to have opinions on abortion law in wherever I live? Man you are all over the place ya nut job.

     And yes the 10 week part, along side the free abortions and pregnancy tests for all, should be a dead giveaway I dont align with the right or left on this issue but instead have an opinion that adopts concerns of both sides... Ya know, exactly what I say I am, a left-leaning centrist....

     You keep on truckin though, lol

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     @CaptainJanegay @georgetakei

     Yup that was clear, glad we agree entirely.

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     Captain Janegay 🫖 (captainjanegay@mastodon.coffee)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:06:36 JST Captain Janegay 🫖

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo @georgetakei To be clear, I'm not implying that Trump is planning a genocide against liberals; in pointing out the very effective role of dehumanisation in getting an audience to a point where they are willing to enact violence that they never otherwise would.

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     • realcaseyrollins ✝️

     @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei

     All humans are animals.. So yes, but not for that reason.

     Are we talking about a narcissistic who is incapable of caring but tries to act compassionately, or one who does not **act** compassionately.

     But yes if a narcissist intentionally embraces not having compassion rather than trying to logically enact compassion (regardless of if they feel it) then they would not be part of human society and thus dehumanized in that sense.

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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:14:58 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @freemo @georgetakei That’s even worse. Is a narcissist an animal?

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     @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei

     I didnt make the distinction because it was implied we were talking about how a person acts, no one cares nor can even determine a persons internal state.

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     @freemo @georgetakei

     Are we talking about a narcissistic who is incapable of caring but tries to act compassionately, or one who does not act compassionately.

     I wasn’t making a distinction between the two because you hadn’t initially.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:47:52 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • Everyday Freethought

     @EFreethought

     Sure, its not like I should be ashamed for looking at nuance and considering the arguments of all sides in constructing my stance... I will take that over "I blindly follow one side" any day...

     Kinda funny how you think I should be ashamed of that, ha!

     @georgetakei

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     @freemo @georgetakei

     Freemo: You should change your handle to "Both-sides Reply Guy"

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     Mike (thumptastic@universeodon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 04:01:22 JST Mike

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     @georgetakei I'm aware.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 04:29:24 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • mike805

     @mike805

     Well said... the people who look for even the slightest subtle hint of a thought on the right as an excuse to attack someone or discredit them proves to e they **are** the problem right now, and not the solution. Toxicity at people who are partly on your side does nothing but to weaken the case for your side to anyone who is on the fence.

     This person has certainly done more to increase Trump's vote count than I could ever hope to do.

     @RodneyPetersonTalent

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     mike805 (mike805@noc.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 04:29:25 JST mike805

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     • RodneyPetersonTalentAgency

     @freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent Amazing how choosing your own opinions gets you attacked from both sides, isn't it?

     Defining yourself as "right wing" or "left wing" is defining yourself as non-thinking. Both of those positions are self-contradictory and would run off a cliff if given the chance.

     Both have some valid points, and a lot of accumulated ideology they have not thought through.

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     @mike805 @RodneyPetersonTalent

     Agreed its a ethical dehlema where any solution will have some immoral imposition on someone. The only truely moral solution would be incubators.

     My focus is to find a solution that minimizes the infringement on both parties.

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     mike805 (mike805@noc.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 04:34:49 JST mike805

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     • RodneyPetersonTalentAgency

     @freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent First thing to acknowledge on abortion is it's not a trivial issue and neither side is obviously wrong.

     Pregnancy and abortion is practically the divide by zero error of Western ethics.

     Western ethics holds that if you have one person dependent on another, and the responsible person cannot provide, you transfer the responsibility to someone else. You cannot do that with pregnancy.

     OTOH the West believes each person owns their own body.

     So neither extreme works.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 04:42:17 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @mike805

     I think it may be that the right just doesnt put a priority on keeping trolls out. I guess they feel the free speech is too important a principle. As with most things Im a mix of both, im fine with keeping blatant trolls out but generally feel that we should give more leadway to open discussion than censorship without ignoring either.

     What is "their side" when it comes to the left? Israel? From what I've seen the conflict has been divided on the left (some strongly in each camp) so the left doesnt have a clear side... The right however seems to be 100% against Muslims (as their religious hatred always seems to take priority) and with either support or indifference regarding Israel. Largely the right just seems happy they are killing muslims meanwhile the left cant make up its mind about iif jews are a whites or not so they cant decide if they are ok to hate or not.... yea its a shit show.

     @RodneyPetersonTalent

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     • RodneyPetersonTalentAgency

     @freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent Thought policing does seem to be a mostly Left wing phenom. I have read Right side forums and they are much less aggressive about it. They can barely keep blatant trolls out.

     Although the Israel/Palestine thing is a humanitarian disaster, the divide within the Left is quite a spectacle. The inability of the Left to admit "their side" did a horrible evil is amazing. Even Greta T is now in trouble over it. Proving she's not really about climate, just wants attention.

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     • deegeese

     @deegeese

     No they wouldnt, I am not proposing making abortion illegal illegal in this thread.

     If you mean in the case where abortion is illegal (unrelated to this thread by thats ok) then yea, you choose to prioritize the rights of the unborn child over the emotional trauma to the mother.. IT is one reason why any extreme on either side isnt a good one.

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     @freemo @mike805 @RodneyPetersonTalent Forced parenthood is not moral either. A rape victim would be forced to have a child by their rapist.

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     @mike805

     Rape probably wasnt risky during caveman days.. or i should say, far far less risky. IF your stronger than the woman, without a society whats the risk? Only risk is the woman might kill you, which is a valid risk, but presumably minimal if the man is stronger (or with a group).

     Perhaps thats the issue, we evolved that trait back when the risk was low and now that the risk is high our evolution hasnt fully caught up.

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     • deegeese

     @deegeese @freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent Yes, it is not moral. Not good for the species either. Rape must have some reproductive value or men wouldn't do it (since it's risky) so forced parenthood from rape will make more rapists.

     There is no answer on the abortion issue that will satisfy all moral constraints, so like with war, people are going to have to accept some sort of compromise as to what is permitted.

     Also, Taliban attitudes toward women lose elections, as the Rs keep learning.

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     • Dave Fernig

     @DaveFernig

     Thats a complete non point for me and I think it only came up as a question at all to make a vain argument for abortion. While I do support abortion I dont think "when a human exists" is a meaningful or even useful question. The only question to ask is "When does this creature have thought, feelings, and can suffer or have desires" As long as the baby is capable of thought on any level IMO it is wrong.

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     @mike805 @freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent depends when a ‘person’ starts to exist. Ironically in the Bible it is at birth

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     @mike805

     Im not sure that tracks.. Seems like the correlation has more to do with womens rights and when they became defined (if at all) rather than specifically when rape was outlawed.

     @deegeese @RodneyPetersonTalent

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     • deegeese

     @freemo @deegeese @RodneyPetersonTalent Cultures where raiding, conquest, and capturing women were normal things for centuries (like the Middle East) seem pretty rapey.

     Civilized places where rape got you hanged, less so.

     Where rape was "safe" was during warfare. Within one's own tribe it has always had consequences. The Middle East has had a lot of warfare.

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     • deegeese

     @freemo @deegeese @RodneyPetersonTalent Both the Soviets and the Japanese gave their soldiers explicit permission to rape during WW2. Other nations punished soldiers for it. There is definitely a cultural divide on whether rape during warfare is ok or not.

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     @mike805 That probably has less to do with culture and more to do with leadership.

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     @RodneyPetersonTalent @DaveFernig @mike805

     I highly doubt he was suggesting their perspective is a good one.

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     • Dave Fernig

     @DaveFernig @mike805 @freemo

     Oh you mean thys Bible? The one that’s full of thousands of lies, inconsistencies, scientific impossibilities, exceedingly cruel acts of a “loving God”, and tons of other bullshit documented here verse by verse:

     Skepticsannotatedbible.com

     “And if you do any of those ten things he has a special place full of fire and torture where he will send you forever and ever.

     But he loves you.”

     Thank you George Carlin

     Fuck you God

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     @mike805 @freemo

     What the fuck are you talking about? A lot of us think the United States is an absolute shithole morally and that certainly applies to Israel, which seems to have no issue with genocide.

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     @RodneyPetersonTalent

     Pretty sure he was refering to the lefts support for Palestine. You did seem to prove his point wonderfully though if that is what it was.

     @mike805

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     @RodneyPetersonTalent Jeesus christ how much is Trump paying you to make the left look like asses, please stop. The man didnt even take sides, he just pointed out your complete inability to have an honest conversation about the issues from both sides... your response is to double down on your absolutism and even attack him... holy hell.

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     @freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent The Western Left (with the exception of explicitly Jewish groups) seems pretty anti-Israel right now. And that is driving the Jews out of groups they felt at home in, which may break up the Leftist coalition.

     The Left see Israel as colonial occupiers much like the old South Africans. The Holocaust sympathy has pretty much worn off.

     Liberal Jewish "tikkun olam" with its "everyone is nice like us" mindset has done as much harm to Israel as to America.

     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 repeated this.
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     @mike805 @freemo

     Smell the shit you’re shoveling, asshole.

     It doesn’t take a whole lot of empathy to understand exactly why a country constructed like a prison where the fucking Israelis bombed their airport with over a 50% unemployment rate would birth a massive movement of discontent and violent rebellion.

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     @mike805

     As someone who sides with palestine overall, I agree entierly with this... and that person is now literally proving your point out as we speak... its extraordinary to see.

     @RodneyPetersonTalent

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     • RodneyPetersonTalentAgency

     @freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent Yes I was saying the Left supports Palestine as an "oppressed proletariat" and hates Israel as a "colonial oppressor."

     They are therefore quick to condemn Israel bombing residential neighborhoods. But somehow they cannot bring themselves to say the Hamas massacre in Israel was a horrible atrocity.

     Some of those Leftists who cheered on Hamas, would do the same to Americans and Europeans if they got the chance.

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     • mike805

     @mike805

     Hardly limited to being weak and stateless. The ISraelis have continued to commit war crimes and terrorism repeatidly. They have even been accused as such by multiple agencies and called to court to be held accountable to those war crimes (such as using small children as shields and intentionally punishing civilians in war).. They just refuse to go to court and be tried..

     Both sides are terrorists, right now, actively.

     @RodneyPetersonTalent

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     • RodneyPetersonTalentAgency

     @RodneyPetersonTalent @freemo Oh I've read the history plenty. It's ugly.

     (1) when the Zionists were weak and stateless, some of them resorted to terrorism too (King David Hotel anyone?)

     (2) when the Palestinians were given citizenship in Jordan, some of them kept provoking the Israelis, triggering reprisals inside Jordan. When Jordan tried to make them stop, they tried to kill the king! The Jordanian army then drove them out, and that's how they ended up in a prison-like state.

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     • Mel 👻🎃🦃🎄

     @iamadequate

     I’m sorry, do you think “the left” is a hive mind, a massive caricature that you can equate with one person?

     That would depend on which left we are talking about. In the USA, yea they are sadly largely a characteture of themselves. To a lesser extent this is true of most english speaking nations. But most of the left in non-english countries tend to be more accepting of nuance and discussion and I wouldnt be so quick to describe the left in the rest of the world in such ways.

     That said even in america there are a select few on the left who dont fit that description. But its still a very large overwhelming majority

     It is not possible to extrapolate what a handful in a group of billions of people said and compare it to the statements of one person.

     Agreed, but it is possible to extrapolate from what the overwhelming majoirity of a group says and compare that to the behavior of individuals. Which is mostly what I did there.

     but saying so makes you feel better about yourself and playing the whataboutism logical fail game as you dehumanize over half the world’s population

     As someone who is on the left myself, no, it doesnt make me feel good that the side I prefer behaves this way, much the opposite.

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     @freemo I'm sorry, do you think "the left" is a hive mind, a massive caricature that you can equate with one person? It is not possible to extrapolate what a handful in a group of billions of people said and compare it to the statements of one person. No, it is categorically untrue that "the left" has done worse, but saying so makes you feel better about yourself and playing the whataboutism logical fail game as you dehumanize over half the world's population

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     @iamadequate

     HA! I guess thats one way to respond to someone who directly answers each of your comments with detail... Welcome to the block list for wasting my time.

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     @freemo OK? That's a lot of ignorant gibberish, and it doesn't explain your silly (and very, very wrong) "It is no worse than what the left has done to him."

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     @RodneyPetersonTalent

     Then maybe you shouldnt be trying so hard to get Trump reelected (intentionally or not)....

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     @freemo

     Oh fuck off. Like I have space to make every argument, and the idea I support Palestine or Hamas is ridiculous. So many ignorant fucks.

     You suppress people as in what’s happened in Gaza to 1.3 million people, they’re going to revolt.

     And the U.S. has a history of genocide, supporting genocide, and having to be dragged kicking and screaming doing anything useful to support their own citizens.

     The idea that a piece of shit like Trump could rise to power proves what a shithole this is.

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     @sudo_DJ

     Right, thats pretty much what i said (just in a disagreeing tone for some reason).

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     @freemo No. People have judged Trump for the awful things he's said and done. That's not anywhere near the same thing. I don't know who this "the left" is, but near universal disdain isn't the same thing as calling an entire class of people vermin, and I suspect you understand this perfectly well.

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     @sudo_DJ its al.ost like the context and everythi g else i said is just as relevant... funny that

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     @freemo "it is no worse than what the left has done to him"

     It is much worse.

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     @freemo

     Only stupid people and shadow supporters of Trump, like your worthless ass, think that just because I’m extremely vocal against Trump and anyone of his ilk in power or their supporters that I’m wrong. Whether or not they like the fiery attacks.

     Consequently, they’re bright enough not to fall for bullshit no matter how nicely or discreetly it’s packaged. That’s my target audience.

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     @RodneyPetersonTalent

     > I’m extremely vocal against Trump and anyone of his ilk in power or their supporters that I’m wrong. Whether or not they like the fiery attacks.

     THat has **nothing** to do with why you are a trump supporter.. You are a trump supporter because you attack anti-trump allys and call them trump supporters, driving them to be more likely to support Trump.

     I am someone who has spoken about both Biden and Trump being a family friend (both have had dinner and stayed the night at my parents home). Despite this I hav ebeen very vocally against Trump yet you still create a toxic environment against me and attack me on a personal level as I am sure you do with many people. This has done wonders to push people to vote for trump I am sure. You are trumps biggest supporter!

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     • Ruru! 🦉

     @lonelyowl @RodneyPetersonTalent

     I'll be in russia within the month if you really want to show me the shit no one wants to see.

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     Come to russia, i show you what real genocidal nigger shithole look like :putinlol:
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     @lonelyowl @RodneyPetersonTalent

     Yes I can say the same sadly

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     Most of the people i hung out with as a kid are either dead or in jail. Although i think the same thing is happening in some parts of the US 🤔
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     @camstonefaux

     About the same thing it does that the DNC elected the first president in living memory who started his career by fighting to keep segregation alive... worse yet he said he was doing it for his son who he didnt want to be raised around people of other races in a "racial jungle"

     Sadly while your assessments about GOP and Trump are valid, they hardly make the DNC look superior in the least.

     @georgetakei

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     @freemo @georgetakei
     To be fair, Trump says a lot thats bigoted, racist, untrue, narcissistic & megalomaniacal, and /still/ leads the GOP. So what does that say about the GOP?

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     @realcaseyrollins

     I guess that depends on who you ask. Trump invokes strong opinions from the GOP fpr sure. That seems to range from hatred all the way to extreme loyalty. I would say rather than being hate by the GoP he has simply polarized it.

     @camstonefaux @georgetakei

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     @camstonefaux @freemo @georgetakei Isn’t it generally accepted that the #RNC doesn’t like #Trump? Plus there’s plenty of infighting among the #GOP establishment about whether or not #Trump is good or should be aligned with, as we saw with the speaker fight.

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     @freemo @mike805 @RodneyPetersonTalent the other side of the coin is we know for sure the mother is sentient and her health mental and physical looms large in this equation