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   Bloodytailspike (monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 04:28:47 JST Bloodytailspike
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   Keep your nose out of our business FOREIGNER!
   >If democracy ends, it ends for everyone, not just libs and Dems. If you’re a Trump supporter, you might actually like it for a while, but dictatorships eventually crush everyone, including you, unless you’re one of the few on the inside and with a lot of money and power.
   That's what's happening NOW
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     @CatLord @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark Hes a neoliberal get it right.
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     Fuck you i am NOT a liberal
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     @jeffcliff @Boomerman @monsterislandcolonizer @mark you're a slightly different flavour of liberal but you are one
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     @jeffcliff @Boomerman @monsterislandcolonizer @mark >he conspired to overthrow the government,
     no he didn't you cringe liberal. you have TVbrain
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     @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark Trump was not independently wealthy and as soon as he entered office he was 100% reliant on the party apparatus and bureaucracy. Pretending trump proves were a democratic nation is laughable and now theyre gonna jailing him because he didnt do what they wanted and because they absolutely hate the electorate you claim they protect.
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     >now theyre gonna jailing him because he didnt do what they wanted
     
     they are going to jail him because he conspired to overthrow the government, or maybe one of the dozens of other crimes he committed since he left office
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     > People do not elect politicians, politicians (and their donors) have themselves elected.
     
     Trump proves that you can be independently wealthy and do it that way.
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     Everything in the US requires money. That's the way the cookie crumbles
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     @jeffcliff @Boomerman @mark Yes Jeff, "democratically" is a word with a meaning and that meaning is not at all descriptive of the how the mechanism actually functions.
     People do not elect politicians, politicians (and their donors) have themselves elected.
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     @jeffcliff @Boomerman @mark "Determined democratically" is to say that it's determined by the moneyed interests who select and fund the candidates.
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     @jeffcliff @Boomerman @mark The law cannot be arbitrary and it cannot be changed arbitrarily and still retain respect. It certainly can't vacillate back and forth. An abortion ban is one law that impacts a very small minority of people (those seeking abortions) but more significant laws could easily be swung to and fro in a volatile manner that makes obedience impossible.
     
     Yes, decades and decades of moneyed interests grinding away were finally able to get rvw overturned, which is great.
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     It's not 'arbitrary' in this case - it's determined democratically
     
     it can be respected, even if people don't agree with it, as long as people respect eachother
     
     > . An abortion ban is one law that impacts a very small minority of people (those seeking abortions)
     
     Those who could seek an abortion*
     
     Breedable women are a minority, but not by much.
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     > Roe v Wade was overturned because it was obviously nonsense
     
     that didn't stop it from holding for decades
     the prolife movement worked for decades to turn the supreme court
     
     it wasn't just some day the supreme court up and decided to reduce the amount of nonsense in the law, they were directly impacted by a very, very long campaign to appoint prolife friendly justices that paid off
     
     > You can't say you have rule of law when the law itself is dependent on who is in power
     
     Sure you can. The whole point of a democracy is that the law is going to change somewhat depending who is in power.
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     ...and because many people want abortion to be legal
     
     don't forget that part
     
     > When any law can be overturned, there is no law.
     
     This doesn't follow. Right now, in the US people drive on the right side of the road. They could decide, at any time, to switch to driving on the left side of the road. But that wouldn't mean that there is no laws - it would just mean the law would be something different.
     
     The US can decide that life begins at conception, and the right to abortion is not superceded by the right of the fetus to live. Or they could decide the opposite. In either case, the law can be made clear so everyone understands the law, and abides by it. The rule of law can hold in either case, or even if the law changes from one to the other based on demographic and religious necessity
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     @jeffcliff @Boomerman @mark If the law can change from day to day you can't say there is rule of law.
     
     Roe v Wade was overturned because it was obviously nonsense, and the new ruling isn't a federal abortion ban like some brainlets have represented it as, it merely defers the authority to ban or authorize abortion down to the states.
     
     You can't say you have rule of law when the law itself is dependent on who is in power. If the law changes along party lines then you have rule of something but it's not rule of law.
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     @jeffcliff @Boomerman @mark The status of roe v wade was maintained because overturning precedent is itself a bad precedent and is indicative of a decline in the belief in the rule of law.
     When any law can be overturned, there is no law. However, rule of law was always a myth. The law is whatever it's interpreter says it is, it is never some objective neutral arbiter.
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     @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark >TPP
     Idk why youre brining this up but TPP is another great example of non democratic practices. Some homo in DC made it up so he and his friends could get paid. Zero votes were cast for such nonsense
     >roe v wade
     The supreme court shouldnt have the power to mandate laws upon the whole nation. Idc about roe v wade but it also wasnt a law that was voted for. The supreme court made it law and redacted it when it was no longer useful. Zero democracy involved. Not too mention the supreme court goes through a nonelectoral process and its well known the federalist society chooses the conservative side not the people.
     >obamacare
     Another great example. Obama ran on public health care. Ultimately what he signed was a massive wealth transfer too the insurance companies and american health care hasnt recovered since but the profit margins are up big time. Maybe one day dumbass dems will "get public healthcare" and stop falling for obvious tricks because theyre afraid of being called a racist.
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     > Idk why youre brining this up but TPP is another great example of non democratic practices. Some homo in DC made it up so he and his friends could get paid. Zero votes were cast for such nonsense
     
     No one is saying nondemocratic practices don't happen. But the TPP was stopped: the US government USTR/etc came up with it, tried to push it on the public *and the public resisted it*.
     
     >Zero democracy involved.
     
     Except the supreme court is appointed by elected people, so yeah, there is democracy involved. Also: the status quo of roe v. wade was kept for decades because millions of americans were in favour of it: even up until Trumps supreme court nominees 'will you touch roe v. wade' was seen as an early question to assess whether or not supreme court nominees would be accepted. Turns out some supreme court nominees were liars, and they were appointed despite promises not to touch roe v. wade... but that happens in politics sometimes
     
     > Another great example. Obama ran on public health care. Ultimately what he signed was a massive wealth transfer too the insurance companies and american health care hasnt recovered since but the profit margins are up big time
     
     Sure. Compromises happen in democracies, that is a good example of one.
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     It was a foregone conclusion that the US would join the TPP before Trump came out against it. Trump gave the american people an option to avoid it. It wasn't a great option, but it was an option the american people chose.
     
     > to let them know what they can get away with.
     
     exactly
     
     The current supreme court clearly shows that they can be influenced by a group with a long enough time preference too : took decades for the prolifers to get roe v. wade overturned, but it happened.
     
     > obamacare
     
     Has a good deal of support in the US - sooner or later y'all are going to figure out how to do public health, though i don't bet anytime soon
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     all of this is uncontestably true
     
     ...but y'all still have the vote, and when push comes to shove you can actually get things pushed through congress if you work for it. Doesn't happen nearly enough, of course.
     
     Otherwise, you would be part of the TPP.
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     @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark Like what lmao? Also lmao at congress the courts cna just shut it down or the executive can shut it down or the system can do what it always does with malicious compliance/non compliance.
     >vote too end iraq war
     Obama laughs
     >vote to end obama care
     Supreme court laughs
     >vote too secure the border
     Congress laughs
     Democracy is a shell game in the US and your vote means jack shit to the people elected other than a guage to let them know what they can get away with.
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     @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark >midterms
     >democratic
     Lmao. Democracy only exists in america for a tiny moneyed elite who see elections as horse races too gamble on. There is not a single party or person within one who actually represents the people only whores who represent whatever lobbying firm cut them the fattests check.
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     > That's what's happening NOW
     
     the US literally just had midterm elections
     they are still as democratic as they ever have been
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     @SaltWraith @CatLord @reloadedAK @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark Trump was clearly in over his head as president
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     @CatLord @reloadedAK @Boomerman @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark but if he's really that fueled by his ego and the smell of his own McDonalds farts, why not just crush a couple of BLM riots during the Summer of Floyd and then own Biden le epic style on TV for an easy victory in 2020
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     @reloadedAK @Boomerman @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark The only thing I don't entirely understand is this : If he threw the election in 2020 and then Jan 6 was his attempt to destroy his own basis on his way out, why does he want to shove his dick in to this beehive again?
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     @SaltWraith @reloadedAK @Boomerman @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark yeah this is the thing that confuses me too. maybe he just has such a massive ego that he wants to get in again to piss off his liberal new york neighbours
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     @Boomerman @reloadedAK @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark >be Donald Trump
     >have a chance to be a big tough law and order guy and throw red meat to the people who voted for you in 2016 but think you're a cuck now
     >instead do a limp wristed bible pander
     it's almost like he wanted to lose
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     @SaltWraith @Boomerman @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark Well given the fact that he pretty much let the election committee who was supposed to help oversee and make sure everything was on the up and up to try and prevent shit like voter fraud wither and die on the vine, I would say so
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     @Boomerman @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark I mean who else had promised to allocate an absolute obscene amount of money to the "Platinum Plan"
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     @reloadedAK @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark I dont give a shit what anyone says about muh election stealing trump lost right here. It was over
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     @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark Youre right most of them dont have a 6 month long nigger color revolution in every major city in the US and a totally democratic "lockdown"
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     @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark There was no coup. There was the same nonsense legalise bullshit that happens every election. Bush did it. Obama did it. The only difference is the target.
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     This election cycle was *not* like every other election. Trump to his credit had some creative people around him, and tried a couple new things.
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     I called for people to join it on my podcast, even
     
     i didn't want biden to win anymore than you did
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     > A bunch of boomers meandering through the capital isnt a coup
     
     Don't give me that shit, tell that to someone who wasn't in favour of the coup succeeding. The boomers were a psyop.
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     @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark What?
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     @jeffcliff @monsterislandcolonizer @mark Jeff you and even these prosecutors dont belive that. Obama fucking completely destroyed another nation illegally, multiple nations in fact and has received zero scrutiny for it. A bunch of boomers meandering through the capital isnt a coup attempt and pretending it is just shows how delusional you are.