@verita84 Being called a Nazi is a compliment in 2023. It has almost nothing to do with Hitler anymore but an opposition to israel first policies, antiwhite discrimination, and the lgbtqpz+ agenda being pushed on kids.
My only criticism of Nazi symbology is that it’s an appeal to a political movement from last century and we should have our own shit that applies more specifically to the shit we have going on now. I don’t care if they start the ovens up or deny the Holocaust or whatever. And I’m certainly not going to turn away good people who make aesthetic appeals to previous centuries.
I’m not even sure if the culture we have going today really qualifies. I mean I realize I’m taking a fairly academic view here but most of us value things like freeze peach, which Nazis absolutely do not. I guess my overall point is not everybody who beefs with jews is a Nazi. Until the aftermath of WW2 basically everybody beefed with jews, and rightly so.
Also I recall the Nazis wanted to do this first step second step mischling stuff and a lot of guys with us now want to do one-dropism with Ashkenazi/Sephardi DNA. I’m not really sure I want to do that but if things get bad enough that conversation will have to be had.
@NEETzsche@verita84 I like Nazis because they piss off the people I really hate more than anything else. It's contrarian and it would lose to a better alternative but modern times call for final solutions.
Oh yes, Nazism/Hitlerism are hilarious because they are basically treated like the devil to the wokester faggots, and for a reason. It’s because they’re in many ways the inverse of them. Not a perfect 1:1 but pretty close. I’m certainly not filtering edgy teenagers for being edgy, just as long as they’re on the right side lmfao
@NEETzsche@iddqd.social a lot of guys with us now want to do one-dropism with Ashkenazi/Sephardi DNAThat'd suck a lot, 'cause there's a bunch of mixed-blood people with Sephardi DNA and they might not even know it :akko_weary:
Race is one of many components of their war against the right and the just. I’m listening to a song from like 15 years ago that made a direct appeal to ghetto niggers, but the song wasn’t pure evil. It’s kind of corny in hindsight, but this regime is absolutely hostile to anybody who is in any way normal at all. The tranissaries are the social enforcement arm of the real rulers, but it goes deeper than them. Half the time it goes deeper than dajooz, since it’s not like the ruling class is exclusively controlled by them.
@spitfire@poster.place@NEETzsche@iddqd.social Lmao, my bloodline might be a disaster, bleaching isn't something we have to worry too much if we breed with lighter shades :kekw: Like, I'm technically a Mestizo, but White enough to be the target of nigger thugs :akko_weary:
Not that race matters in this shithole I live in :02_shrug:
If we want to contend with this, we have to understand that we are underdogs, and that coalescing around any single banner in too obvious a fashion. Instead of creating an institution for us, which can be subverted and destroyed, we need to create a culture. A culture of mercilessly undermining and sabotaging all their shit.
Leftists don’t need an organization to know who is on their side and who isn’t. And they just reflexively move to get their way, even on the occasion the Feds don’t support them.
@NEETzsche@spitfire@verita84 You can almost get away with the black sun because normies only really know about the swastika and maybe the double lightning bolts for the SS. But these symbols represent the Aryan/White man's existence through the millennia, a continuous link to our past so I don't think it is a bad thing. Probably the best symbology that is more modern would be the confederate battle flag, though it is more complex than we'd probably want.
@WhiteTemplar@spitfire@verita84 The Nazis came after the Confederates but their symbols both trigger the same people, our enemies. You'll likely get mad at me but the Pepe Wojak shit provokes the same people, it's just not a flag. Point being, that stuff is very much a product of our time.
My point is not "Nazis are bad" as much as it is "Nazis are gone" and we're kind of our own thing now, and we should own that. Nazism was a German political movement in the 20th century. Their ideas don't really map 1:1 with our own. It's fun to read about them and I understand exactly why people like to romanticize them, much like the Confederates, I just think we should be our own thing and own it.
Let fallen dogs rest. But that's not going to stop me from siding with people just because they disagree with me on this point. It's kind of a minor point in the grand scheme of things. Once you figure out what your views are you more or less know who your enemies are anyway.
I brought up how Pepe/Wojak aren’t appropriate for flags, yeah. It’s just that, every symbol from the past has some flaw, some dumb point of contention. We’re all on the same team, more or less, and there is a certain essence to the movement of today, and all of the past movements fall short. Christianity because it’s purely religious and our thing doesn’t eliminate the irreligious. Nazism doesn’t really cover it for a few reasons like a lot of our guys want to do one-dropism with Ashkenazim and the actual Nazis did not, or they beefed with Slavs and we don’t, that sort of thing. Confederacy doesn’t really work because that was a movement around the South and its right to self-determination with respect to slavery. I can go on but I think you get the point.
I know you’re not a fan of this take but what we might call the “dissident right” isn’t strictly racial, even. There are a lot of Americanized non-Whites in our ranks and frankly they’re not a problem. They’re not a fan of the racial-social dynamic for whatever reason. They just want to abolish this tranny shit or whatever and they’re not out to get whitey. Trying to shoehorn race into it isn’t always appropriate. It’s like when leftists try to say that blacks who oppose some of these things are White supremacists because they don’t want to get involved with Ukraine or get the clot shot. It’s ridiculous when they do it and it’s ridiculous when we do it.
This movement we have now, it’s very real. I think we’re trying to find analogies to past movements and in doing so forgetting that we have our own.
Just my thoughts over the last few years. I got a ticket to see the new Barbie movie. Call me a fag I guess. Why not.
@NEETzsche@spitfire@verita84 Not sure I'd put a Pepe or a Wojak on flag or use them as some kind of badge on a uniform, as funny as that would be. I would say use some form of cross, because all of our enemies hate Christianity, but there are too many fedora tipping atheists and retarded pagans in our ranks, but maybe we will get to a point where we just jettison them. In my opinion we are due for a revitalization of Christianity, whatever that may look like and perhaps one final crusade.
@NEETzsche@WhiteTemplar@spitfire@verita84 Ehhh when most of your movement are underage terminally-online individuals, the best you can do is slap a meme on a flag and hope they show up for le epic protest. Which will be brief because the cia will shoot a guy and blame it on you, then have your members arrested for terrorism
There’s like three things at play here and I’m going to frame it in Gnostic terms but hopefully you’ll see why. There’s ignorance of the past (hylics), clinging to the past for answers (psychics), and there’s acknowledging the past but looking to the future (pneumatics).
I want to be the latter. Americans defeated the Nazis and the Soviets, debatably at the behest of jews, but definitely to their benefit. Those jews betrayed America and, alongside a confluence of other malignant groups, sabotaged America’s native stock and vandalized our culture. This raises the question:
National Socialism also ses to be heavily fragmented too. Real National Socialists like Warren Balogh from TRS and NJP make it sound good today. Then you have neo-nazis and people on Fedi that make it all about hate which is very incorrect
@NEETzsche@spitfire@verita84 The amount of non-Whites who are anti-NWO are so small that it is negligible. Don't get me wrong, I like me an Uncle Ruckus, but I would prefer that Uncle Ruckus to be one of our puppet politicians in Afrika. Also Afrika could use all the big brain nibbas they can get. As for peoples who are already successful at civilization, they absolutely have no reason to be here other than to take advantage of an economy that was built by White men and I am sick of other races taking advantage of the White man's work ethic; note that this is different than fair trading.
As for one-dropism when dealing with jews, it's just good business. The tribe of Judah has been nothing but trouble and causing chaos is their modus operandi. Best to just avoid them entirely. Also avoid them because their genetics are absolute shit. I seriously don't get people who unironically thirst for female jews, who got their big tits from Eastern European women(filthy genestealers), but those tits will wane and when they hit the wall they begin to look like literal demons; another case of the body matching the soul.
Also, I have no opinion on the Barbie movie. It is important to have our own Culture of Critique, but I can understand not wanting to personally dip your toes in some of the worst garbage ever conceived and yet somehow called entertainment.
I prefer to view things in a much more situational approach. Or, to put it in zoomer speak, to stay in my lane. What is my lane? My lane is trying to start a family, and to protect the interests of that family. I have a gf who I met and I brought her to Taylor Swift. Things are working out. My lane is preserving and building upon the cultural and religious traditions I’ve been imbued with, some of which were built centuries ago, some built in the mid 20th.
My lane is not writing policy from a mile-high view like a lot of our guys. We don’t control policy. That fact needs to be taken seriously in our thing. We don’t control the government and the greater society, and that government/society is out to get us, for a confluence of reasons. If we ever control things again in that fashion, it will likely be generations from today. Might as well internalize this reality now and learn to engage in some outright grit.
I know you hate this outlook, but to me, it isn’t about saving Christianity or the White race or my stupid hobbies or whatever else. It’s not about saving the world. It’s about saving myself.
@lelouchebag@NEETzsche@spitfire@verita84 You don't go out to protest if you are actually a part of le movement...you find a politician or corpo exec to eliminate and do it, without talking about it online. Look at how much shit that filthy Bosnian caused by killing just one man. Technically was responsible for two world wars. Obviously jews had their own machinations going on, but my point is, killing people works.
The “wider view” is a trap. I took it for years. People learn all about statecraft, but then their toilet is broken. It’s a LARP. The normies were right about a lot more than we realize.
@NEETzsche@spitfire@verita84 Guess I am just built different. I can't help but take the wider view. It's simply how I see the world. The minutia means very little to me, tell me the major plot points and I know enough to see the patterns between things.
You’re missing the point. The reason these people don’t hire plumbers is because they don’t have the fucking money or connections to attract them. Their shit isn’t together. You start taking knowledge about things like statecraft seriously when you’re in a position to marshal thousands of men. You don’t take statecraft seriously when you’re struggling to come up with this month’s rent or whatever. If you do, you waste your time and your energy for no benefit. It’s a trap. They want you to learn about things that aren’t pertinent to any decisions you actually make in material reality. It’s bullshit.
@NEETzsche@spitfire@verita84 Then you hire a plumber. Division of labor is a thing that has existed since the first tribes were formed. There is no reason for this factoid to change.
But it’s not a given. Most of the men in our thing are unmarried, terminally-online loners. They hold no credentials and have no careers, no important position in society. They could disappear tomorrow and nobody would notice. We’re underdogs for a reason.
It’s extremely important to understand that this is a bottom-up movement, which is to say we’re not deriving any power from institutional support from above. Talking about statecraft at this point is like thinking one’s experience playing Europa Universalis IV qualifies them to run a country, when they can’t obtain dentistry. We are working with extremely flawed people. We are working with men who were systematically destroyed before they were even adults, before they were men.
You want to move things forward? You’re just going to have to get into the weeds on this front. The “wider view” as you put it at this point is a total waste of time. It’s a LARP and nothing more.
@NEETzsche@spitfire@verita84 I think we are doing that thing where we are have two separate discussions at the same time, but I agree, people do basically need to have their shit together, but I just see that as a given which is why I don't harp on it.