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   the merry leftist⛄️ (mnemosynesinger@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 02:17:14 JST the merry leftist⛄️

   Good morning

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 02:17:13 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @MnemosyneSinger This post's delivery probably doesn't work too well in the middle of a rightoid groomer panic.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 02:51:20 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @rticks @MnemosyneSinger What do you mean by that?

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     Rhombus Ticks (rticks@universeodon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 02:51:21 JST Rhombus Ticks

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     @MakBerberovic @MnemosyneSinger

     Moral Authority works just fine when you have it

     Conservatives have none

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     the merry leftist⛄️ (mnemosynesinger@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 02:51:49 JST the merry leftist⛄️

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     @MakBerberovic idk what sex work has to do with the groomer panic?? How about you get fucked and stop blaming us for everything wrong in society.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 02:53:04 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @MnemosyneSinger I'm on your side yo, I'm just making an offhanded comment that this piece of rhetoric isn't very effective in today's context.

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     the merry leftist⛄️ (mnemosynesinger@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 02:57:04 JST the merry leftist⛄️

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     @MakBerberovic no, you're just shaming sex workers with extra steps aka being an annoying ass reply guy. And you didn't answer my question. What does sex work have to do with the groomer panic?

     Oh that's right. Nothing.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 03:07:32 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @MnemosyneSinger If you can't tell the difference between 'this isn't very effective' and 'I disagree with you'... I dunno man.

     Anyway the ongoing groomer panic is rightoids accusing LGBT teachers of grooming children and the poster in question is a leftist meme featuring a sexualized female teacher. That's the connection.

     I have no issue with the message or presentation, I'm just saying it only works on people who already agree with the message because the presentation neatly fits into the enemy's rhetoric.

     I'm not gonna do the performative leftist thing of apologetically repeating all my values to prove i'm 'one of the good ones' though.

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     Rhombus Ticks (rticks@universeodon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 03:08:46 JST Rhombus Ticks

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     @MakBerberovic @MnemosyneSinger

     Moral Authority is who is right and who is wrong

     Hypocrites have almost none

     Liars have none

     Conservatism only exists to demonize the other, resist change and glorify the past and they lie like they breathe to do it

     Ergo Conservatives rarely have moral authority

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 03:08:46 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @rticks @MnemosyneSinger That is objectively true but also very poor politicking. Unfortunately being wrong or against the rules has not stopped rightoids from doing any of the evil things they've done and will do.

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     the merry leftist⛄️ (mnemosynesinger@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 03:28:45 JST the merry leftist⛄️

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     @MakBerberovic I'm not in the business of sanitizing my rhetoric to make it more palatable to Nazis. That's lib shit.

     Nazis gonna Nazi no matter what I say. Nazis gonna call me a groomer just for existing as a queer person. Should I stop existing because my presentation fits neatly into the enemy's rhetoric?

     I repeat, get fucked.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 03:51:30 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @AmyDentata @MnemosyneSinger That phase of rightoid propaganda is over, the mask has been dropped and they're too overt and too willing to just make shit up so weaponizing our words doesn't matter.

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     Amy Dentata (amydentata@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 03:51:31 JST Amy Dentata

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     @MakBerberovic @MnemosyneSinger "we can't say this because right-wingers will weaponize it" is the perfect strategy if your plan is to never say anything ever again

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 04:13:20 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @rticks @MnemosyneSinger I completely agree with you, I have had these exact thoughts, but why do you go to Jan 6 as your breaking point? Both you and I are clever enough to know that they were fascist monsters forever ago.

     The reason you said Jan 6 is because it's a sufficiently convincing argument to people who don't think like you do. You understand rhetoric.

     So why is it so hard to understand that a message should work on its desired recipient? The alternative is it's just sniffing our own farts, if you ask me.

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     Rhombus Ticks (rticks@universeodon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 04:13:21 JST Rhombus Ticks

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     @MakBerberovic @MnemosyneSinger

     After Jan 6, it is no longer needful to give a shit what a conservative says

     While someone trying to slipstream the corporate fascist media might spin for advantage that is a losing pointless strategy.

     I will not surrender an inch to fascists; language or otherwise

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     Corvid Crone (corvidcrone@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 04:15:15 JST Corvid Crone

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     @MakBerberovic @AmyDentata @MnemosyneSinger

     Rightoid?

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 04:22:07 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @CorvidCrone @AmyDentata @MnemosyneSinger The right wing of the political spectrum, positive belief in hierarchies, and in the modern day, increasingly unified in their messaging, be it theocrats, corpos, white nationalists, libertarians, tech bros, gamers, etc.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 04:39:25 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @rticks @MnemosyneSinger I never ceded the argument though? I'm discussing the presentation of the argument with the sexualized teacher.

     You say 'cede no ground' but in the context of this conversation I interpret that as 'anything goes' which is just not true sorry.

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     Rhombus Ticks (rticks@universeodon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 04:39:26 JST Rhombus Ticks

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     @MakBerberovic @MnemosyneSinger

     Ceding sex work isnt "tailoring to the audience" it is empowering forced birth slavers and slut shamers.

     Their groomer language is satanic, and the reason I use Jan 6 is because, yes while they were evil well before that, its because EVEN THE MOST STUPID civility democrat or centrist could see they were wrong

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     Rhombus Ticks (rticks@universeodon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 04:39:26 JST Rhombus Ticks

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     @MakBerberovic @MnemosyneSinger

     The other thing that has changed is Dobbs

     And the satanic anti trans laws.

     Ceding ANY ground now is collaboration

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 08:28:00 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @palecur @rticks @MnemosyneSinger Oh yeah regular teachers do sexy poses all the time. You must be insane if that's the angle you want to criticize me on.

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     Rue Ciphervale (palecur@dice.camp)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 08:28:01 JST Rue Ciphervale

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     @MakBerberovic @rticks @MnemosyneSinger world-class projection on that 'sexualized teacher' bit champ

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 08:30:04 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @palecur @MnemosyneSinger Could you tell me what's so wrong about what I say that it warrants such a hostile reaction + several people blocking me?

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     Rue Ciphervale (palecur@dice.camp)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 08:30:06 JST Rue Ciphervale

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     @MakBerberovic @MnemosyneSinger I assure you you're at no risk of being perceived as 'one of the good ones' just now

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     Bear Philippe (splatterdaddy@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 12:52:15 JST Bear Philippe

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     @MakBerberovic @palecur @MnemosyneSinger What was it about the other people that told you what was wrong with what you said before? Because it looked like a sex worker just did exactly what you asked. What do you need? For someone else to explain it to you in asshole?

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 17:25:16 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @anarchautist @MnemosyneSinger That's not what I'm doing though? I'm just saying this poster isn't very effective rhetoric. And this isn't about debate. And I don't understand how you can say 'you thinking this image is not effective = sex work negative'.

     Either I've communicated myself really poorly or you are insane, and I am tempted to go with the latter because this is very stereotypical behavior.

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     Shaun 🏳️‍🌈 (anarchautist@aus.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 17:25:17 JST Shaun 🏳️‍🌈

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     @MakBerberovic @MnemosyneSinger Conservatives are fine with heterosexual grooming.

     Stop trying to hold LGBT people (and sex workers) accountable for right-wing rhetoric.

     Conservatives aren't interested in legitimate debate which is why liberals, such as yourself, always end up siding with other conservatives against sex workers, LGBT people, and other marginalised people.

     In conclusion, get fucked.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 17:39:14 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @SplatterDaddy @palecur @MnemosyneSinger People were mostly responding to my argument, and the hostility was mostly in single unhinged statements.

     So yes i need someone else to explain because I feel like you are responding to me as if I'm spreading groomer rhetoric rather than just discussing it when there are sufficient context clues that I am not in favor of that.

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     Shaun 🏳️‍🌈 (anarchautist@aus.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 18:38:11 JST Shaun 🏳️‍🌈

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     @MakBerberovic @MnemosyneSinger Yes, every sex worker who's criticising you is "insane." It couldn't possibly be that you went in way over your head on a topic you don't understand, communicated really poorly, and then decided to dig deeper when you received criticism from the group you were attempting to tone and shame.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 18:40:10 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @anarchautist @MnemosyneSinger "every sex worker who's criticizing you is insane" what the fuck is this strawman, I didn't think a fellow autistic person was capable of the worst NT behavior.

     Nope you are insane, and not stereotypically so.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 18:51:08 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @anarchautist So yeah it's clear you can't tell the difference between discussing bigoted rhetoric and spreading it.

     If I had figured that out in 3 comments a lot of this drama could have been avoided and I could have apologized for approaching the conversation poorly but your subsequent behavior doesn't warrant that.

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     Shaun 🏳️‍🌈 (anarchautist@aus.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 18:51:09 JST Shaun 🏳️‍🌈

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     @MakBerberovic Also just to be clear.

     You have been asked to stop being whorephobic and anti-LGBT.

     Your response has been a very resounding "NO," to continue to argue with people affected by your bigoted rhetoric, to call them insane, to say they have "the worst NT behaviour," and to continue to whine and centre your own feelings.

     Maybe stop being a bigot for 5 minutes, own up to the harm you're causing, and do better? Or don't be surprised that we all treat you like the conservative piece of shit you are.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 19:07:44 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @anarchautist Once the conversation stopped being about the argument I gave, I, descriptively speaking, (should assume in good faith) that I did something wrong to have provoked so many people. I did the correct thing thereafter and asked questions about my behavior. The answers I got were ridiculous at best.

     Then I started wondering about how this could have been prevented. And unfortunately the answer is 'don't talk to leftists unless you are willing to virtue signal enough to blow up your silly comments to low stakes posts to an unwarranted degree because leftists can't just be proportionate and not assume the worst.

     In other words, I take too little shit to get along with people like you. Which is a shame because we need to unite to not be put in camps, but kolektiva in general seems much more concerned with who gets to say 'i told you so' after they're thrown in the camps, than preventing the camps from happening.

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     Shaun 🏳️‍🌈 (anarchautist@aus.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 19:07:45 JST Shaun 🏳️‍🌈

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     @MakBerberovic So you acknowledge that you "behaved poorly" but you refuse to apologise for being a bigot because one of the people you were being bigoted towards responded poorly to your behaviour?

     K.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 19:44:15 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @anarchautist I didn't tell them that they did something wrong. I said that it wasn't very effective. That isn't even an expression of disagreement let alone harsh criticism. Which is why I find the blowback ridiculous. I hope my subsequent actions make sense with this in mind.

     I appreciate you taking some time with me regardless, I appreciate the effort. Have a nice day.

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     Shaun 🏳️‍🌈 (anarchautist@aus.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 19:44:16 JST Shaun 🏳️‍🌈

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     @MakBerberovic You came along to tell a group of people they were doing something wrong, you got told off, and now you're dramatically whining you're going to be put in a camp because we won't work with you and hold your hand while you're being a bigot.

     Sit the fuck down, grow up and stop being such an overdramatic, self-centred piece of shit.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 19:44:37 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @anarchautist @SplatterDaddy I have fully agreed that it has no validity, and I gave the appropriate counterargument to that.

     I am not a victim of leftists. I am frustrated with leftists.

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     Shaun 🏳️‍🌈 (anarchautist@aus.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 19:44:38 JST Shaun 🏳️‍🌈

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     @MakBerberovic @SplatterDaddy You are in fact spreading groomer rhetoric. Multiple people have objected to the rhetoric you are using and discussing as if it has validity. I can see many people have attempted to explain this to you and you are still pretending
     1) you don't understand
     2) you are a victim of "leftists"
     3) that we're going to be put into camps because dirty whores won't stop being dumb sluts when you nicely explain why we're bringing groomer rhetoric on ourselves.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 20:11:11 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @anarchautist Oh you're a sex worker? Sorry I didn't figure that out. I don't know what to do with that information.

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     Shaun 🏳️‍🌈 (anarchautist@aus.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 20:11:12 JST Shaun 🏳️‍🌈

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     @MakBerberovic Not "them". You are talking to a sex worker.

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     @anarchautist @SplatterDaddy Yep that's what my general takeaway from this conversation is; I imagine they're so frustrated with rightoid rhetoric that they lashed out at something vaguely resembling it without factoring in the scope, stakes, and intent of the conversation.

     I am fully familiar with this feeling because I have jumped the gun on calling people vatniks on occasion, after one too many encounters with vatniks.

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     Shaun 🏳️‍🌈 (anarchautist@aus.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Jun-2023 20:11:13 JST Shaun 🏳️‍🌈

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     @MakBerberovic @SplatterDaddy Imagine how the people you're lecturing feel.

     For future reference, this might have been avoided if you'd asked questions instead.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 01:34:47 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @palecur @SplatterDaddy @MnemosyneSinger Why would I respond in a bewildered way if I didn't find the behavior unhinged? That's the premise of the entire latter half of this conversation. I asked further questions from there to resolve this confusion and found the answers I got were poor. That's fine, some social encounters end that way, and from there everyone moved on. Have a nice day.

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     Rue Ciphervale (palecur@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 01:34:48 JST Rue Ciphervale

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     @MakBerberovic @SplatterDaddy @MnemosyneSinger

     deploying words like 'unhinged' at people for daring to disagree with your garbage take is a clue that you aren't here to understand why your take is garbage or why people are mad about it. you're just here to waste time.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 01:37:55 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @palecur @rticks @MnemosyneSinger That answer was posted on the same day, you seem to be confused.

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     @MakBerberovic @rticks @MnemosyneSinger you took a week and that's what you could come up with? Weak. Just admit to yourself -- not even to me -- that you are out here looking at things through a sexual lens, whether or not they actually are, and that it's a problem you need to address.

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     Wherz Demloots (makberberovic@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 01:18:44 JST Wherz Demloots

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     @nus @MnemosyneSinger It's a picture of a sexy teacher, teachers work with children, rightoids were crying about teachers sexually corrupting youth by teaching the gay people exist. You can disagree with my argument but surely you understand the thought process.

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     nus (nus@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 01:18:45 JST nus

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     @MakBerberovic @MnemosyneSinger I didn't associate anything with children in the picture... It's a picture of an adult and sex work is an adult thing right

     :confused_dog: