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i cant believe people are retarded enough that i have to say it but if you are going to threaten to put poast in a position to be deplatformed, especially with whats going on right now you will be removed. that shit is not and will not ever be welcome here
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@Moon @graf @Fever @sim
>your server has no right to compel my server to process a single byte of information.
Sure it does. I have the right to free speech; I have the right to speak to you.
>fediverse servers are remarkably permissive as-is but there are limits.
There are not.
>or example SPC recently had to disable processing remote delete requests, solely for the pragmatic reason that remote account deletion floods servers with enough delete requests that it can disable the entire site. poa.st and a number of other servers have done this as well because the software literally just can't handle it.
This is what I hate the most.
>Have to
You didn't have to. You chose to.
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@book @graf @Fever @Moon @sim
> I have the right to free speech; I have the right to speak to you.
I have the right to not listen, to not let you in my home, to tell you to fuck off.
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@book @graf @Fever @sim your server has no right to compel my server to process a single byte of information. fediverse servers are remarkably permissive as-is but there are limits. for example SPC recently had to disable processing remote delete requests, solely for the pragmatic reason that remote account deletion floods servers with enough delete requests that it can disable the entire site. poa.st and a number of other servers have done this as well because the software literally just can't handle it. :shrug_kon: this is on one end of the extreme of why we need to be able to limit what we comply with.
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@Moon @graf @Fever @sim It is 100% applicable to just not hit a button to violate someone's rights as opposed to hitting the button. There is no force in the universe that compels you to do this. You can just not do it. It costs nothing.
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@book @Fever @graf @sim by the way i am not even rejecting your values that you are proposing i am strongly disagreeing with the applicability of those values to one particular case of two pieces of server software interacting independently without human intervention.
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@Moon @graf @Fever @sim
> that doesn't make it a person, and an autonomous agent of a person that is never actually checked by the person is even further still away.
This is exactly as true for every single account that exists on here. They are not literally people. They are the property of people.
>all a followbot does is dump your server's posts on another server's known network timeline.
Which anyone has a right to do.
>again if you the human want to follow someone, literally nothing is stopping you,
You're literally stopping them with force.
>which is actually a pretty good place to define the difference between a real person and a software agent.
No, it's a completely arbitrary plaace.
You should not be able to draw that line.
In fact, you should not be able to draw lines at all.
I don't know who told you you had legitimate authority but you don't.
No one voted for you.
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@book @graf @Fever @sim software protocols are constraints and agreement, nothing would work without constraints and agreement. at a higher level on the stack we're saying interact with our server in this way only or we'll just drop your actions because we're not obligated to return any data to you just because you ask for it. and our request is in fact very reasonable because we are not even saying we refuse to talk to you, we are saying there should be a 1:1 connection between human follow action and software follow action and not third-party server admin requesting thousands of follows for maybe other people or maybe nobody.
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@Moon @graf @Fever @sim Did the bot make itself?
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@book @graf @Fever @sim that doesn't make it a person, and an autonomous agent of a person that is never actually checked by the person is even further still away. all a followbot does is dump your server's posts on another server's known network timeline. again if you the human want to follow someone, literally nothing is stopping you, except having to make a conscious decision to do so which is actually a pretty good place to define the difference between a real person and a software agent.
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@sim @book @Fever @graf a bot isn't people anyway, and nothing is stopping anybody on that instance from clicking follow and following somebody on here.
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@book @graf @Fever @Moon You are taking issue with a bot being disabled. Does this even apply to bots that spam your account with questionable ad links? Or images you don't want to see?
While I understand that disassociating with people isn't something to do lightly, especially when they depend on you or your community... sometimes it actually is for the better for those involved. Some people really are bad for you to associate with, they will erode your boundaries because they know they can get away with it. Not everyone will get along, muting or blocking them is a good practice or else you end up with lots of drama which is unhealthy. But these are better done at the individual level.
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@sim @graf @Fever @Moon I don't believe in freedom of association. I believe unpersoning people is an abomination.
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@book @graf @Fever @Moon I suppose this comes back to freedom of association. I don't appreciate followbots following me personally. I view them as spam. I don't need to be randomly added to other instances, to be spammed by these bots following me. I've had a few of them do this in the past, even attempt to refollow and it was annoying. Let people find me organically through who they follow and show up that way.
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@sim @graf @Fever @Moon
>it can still follow other people from other instances.
But not the one that censored it.
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@book @graf @Fever @Moon They shouldn't give a fuck. It's just a followbot, it can still follow other people from other instances. Not everyone wants to be followed by a followbot, which is why it is usual to see #nobot in bios. Some instance admins will disable bots on their instances or from other instances showing up on their instance. They tend to be spammy.
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@Moon @Fever @graf Why should that user give a fuck what you want?
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@Moon @graf @Fever And what you want must be imposed on others?
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@book @graf @Fever want interactions to be organic
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@Moon @graf @Fever Why
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@book @graf @Fever natural timeline generation only
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@Moon @graf @Fever Why?
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@Fever @graf report them and I'll disable them.
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@graf are these follow bots normal? I just started getting a lot of these noties
anime graf mays ?️?
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