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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:09:24 JST Chris Trottier

   • Fediverse News

   Well, this is an unexpected curveball.

   Jack Dorsey hopes that Bluesky will be “temporary”.

   How likely is Bluesky to actually be “temporary”?

   @fediversenews

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:12:51 JST Chris Trottier

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     Jack Dorsey even implies that #Bluesky is just a “proof of concept”.

     If that’s true, I hope no institution is setting up an account on Bluesky.

     Bluesky is fine for shitposting. But anything work-related shouldn’t be hosted on a “proof of concept”.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:16:04 JST Chris Trottier

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     If #Bluesky really is just a temporary proof of concept, the Tech Press sure has egg in all their faces.

     This means Bluesky isn’t what they believe it to be.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:19:36 JST Chris Trottier

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     How can Bluesky be the future when Jack Dorsey says it’s “temporary”.

     Maybe AT protocol is the future—but that’s a separate matter from Bluesky.

     The app we’re seeing now may not even exist when AT protocol gets rolled out.

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     David Binkowski (dbinkowski@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:20:49 JST David Binkowski

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     @atomicpoet I also love FrontPage

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:21:31 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Rachel Luxemburg 🪬

     @rlux He’s a pretty significant fellow who happens to sit on the board of directors.

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     Rachel Luxemburg 🪬 (rlux@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:21:33 JST Rachel Luxemburg 🪬

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     @atomicpoet bear in mind that Jack does not run the show over at Bluesky. The actual Bluesky team has not confirmed his comment.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:25:34 JST Chris Trottier

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     Everything I see about Bluesky’s app now makes complete sense.

     If this is meant to be a proof of concept, of course Bluesky won’t concentrate on stuff like DMs or lists or text formatting.

     Why would they put that kind of work in if this might be temporary?

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     ekana (ekana@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:28:28 JST ekana

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     @atomicpoet @fediversenews Yeah, Jack just says things sometimes lol. He is pretty big on the board considering he's one third, but I doubt Jay would like to all of the sudden lose her company. And the other guy on the board seems way more aligned with Jay.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:32:20 JST Chris Trottier

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     My big conclusion from Jack Dorsey’s thread is that #Bluesky is NOT comparable to Mastodon.

     You can’t compare a temporary proof of concept with something that is production-ready right now.

     The hint is Bluesky’s website: staging.bsky.app

     It’s “staging” for a reason!

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:32:45 JST Chris Trottier

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     • narF

     @narF I doubt this is what most people using Bluesky want to hear.

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     narF (narf@calckey.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:32:52 JST narF

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     @atomicpoet@mastodon.social Can we really trust him though? Or is he just saying whatever people wants to hear?

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:33:57 JST Chris Trottier

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     • ekana

     @ekana I’m not talking about company. I’m talking about the app.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:35:12 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Rachel Luxemburg 🪬

     @rlux If this isn’t true, he should leave the board.

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     Rachel Luxemburg 🪬 (rlux@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:35:13 JST Rachel Luxemburg 🪬

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     @atomicpoet Yes, he is on the board, but he doesn’t drive the roadmap. Jay and her team do. I would want one of them to confirm Jack’s comment before taking it seriously.

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     ekana (ekana@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:41:11 JST ekana

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     @atomicpoet Okay let's say that the app is temporary, it wouldn't make sense to just stop developing the app when the protocol is finished. What I imagine he means is that if the protocol takes off with a bunch of other companies and apps popping up then they would then drop the app. But I still doubt Jay would really want that, the way. The Bluesky app is supposed to be a market example like Surface Laptops or when Google makes a premium Chromebook.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:42:05 JST Chris Trottier

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     All those clout-chasing “influencers” on #Bluesky will look ridiculous if the app ceases to exist, and they’re forced to set up their own PDS on a Raspberry Pi.

     I’m not saying this will happen, but it will be funny.

     😆

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     ekana (ekana@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:45:22 JST ekana

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     @atomicpoet They supposedly have, or are planning to, move it from staging to bsky.app.

     I still think JACK wants it to be a temporary proof of concept, at odds with the Staff and the other board members.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:52:17 JST Chris Trottier

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     • E. Hatt-Swank
     • Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

     @ehattswank @chris To be clear, if Bluesky is what they say it is, it doesn’t matter if the app exists or not.

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     Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 (chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:52:18 JST Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

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     @atomicpoet Is he maybe trying to create a competitor to the ActivityPub standard that he can then take credit for? Why do these people always communicate in vague two word statements?

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     E. Hatt-Swank (ehattswank@masto.ai)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:52:18 JST E. Hatt-Swank

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     • Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

     @chris @atomicpoet
     Seems like yet another piece of evidence for the case that we should avoid putting all our eggs in the baskets owned by capricious zillionaires ...

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     Chris Pirillo (chrispirillo@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:56:43 JST Chris Pirillo

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     • Fediverse News

     @atomicpoet @fediversenews ...this, to me, is the whole ballgame. Why, then, does it allegedly trump what Mastodon has done / is doing / will do?

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     Steve Torrente (thelasttheorist@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 13:58:42 JST Steve Torrente

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     @atomicpoet John Mastodon strikes again.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 14:14:48 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Chris Pirillo

     @ChrisPirillo My suspicion is because ActivityPub is server-to-server, and subsists by writing to 1,000s of servers.

     AT is more convoluted. It’s personal data to big graph server to Labeller / App View / Feed Gen.

     Why?

     Well, my suspicion is that Twitter wanted to avoid liability for all the crazy stuff being posted there.

     Twitter didn’t want to be a publisher.

     They wanted to be the Google of self-hosted social media posts.

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     Lars Fosdal (larsfosdal@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 14:15:51 JST Lars Fosdal

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     @atomicpoet What if it is a PoC that actually is a multitude of instances behind the facade? A protocol test platform.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 14:28:37 JST Chris Trottier

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     • Thomas
     • Marcus "MajorLinux" Summers

     @coastgnu @majorlinux @blackmastodon@a.gup.pe @BlackMastodon@chirp.social I’m not saying AT protocol won’t be an alternative to ActivityPub. What I am saying is that, based on Jack Dorsey’s words, don’t believe that Bluesky (the app/website) is something permanent.

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     Thomas (coastgnu@norden.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 14:28:39 JST Thomas

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     • Marcus "MajorLinux" Summers

     @atomicpoet
     @majorlinux

     ATM Bluesky is/was discussed as an alternative to Mastodon on @blackmastodon@a.gup.pe and @BlackMastodon@chirp.social

     #bluesky

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     HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-May-2023 16:18:48 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴

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     @atomicpoet

     What if #bluesky technology is being developed so that the several hundred million monetizable #BorgSite users with its decrepit IT infrastructure can be migrated to a new platform when it finally comes all crushing down?

     I am thinking of a big house that is in the final stages of burning down and then collapses as some pillars that are vital for statics are destroyed.
     That is the image.

     IMO #jack and #elmo are still working on the same project: l...

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 13:42:29 JST Chris Trottier

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     • ActiveCultures

     @ActiveCultures I get barely any interaction on Bluesky. Much more here.

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     ActiveCultures (activecultures@mastodon.art)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 13:42:30 JST ActiveCultures

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     @atomicpoet not cloutchasing. But I will say, it’s a lot more fun, and much easier to on ramp. Been on for 1 week and already have had much more interaction, from shittalk to politics to restaurant recs to self-reflection about the community as it constitutes itself. The mix of generosity + intellect + profanity feels like early bird site days. But with more lewds

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 14:22:26 JST Chris Trottier

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     • maegul
     • ActiveCultures

     @maegul @ActiveCultures But this isn’t my only account. I have great conversations with all my accounts no matter my following.

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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 14:22:27 JST maegul

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     @atomicpoet @ActiveCultures

     To be fair, @atomicpoet, you have quite a following here, as you’ve admitted to in the past: 17,000 v @ActiveCultures with 58 followers(300x more).

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 14:39:16 JST Chris Trottier

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     • maegul
     • ActiveCultures

     @maegul @ActiveCultures What it really is, if you don’t mind me saying, is that I’ve become accustomed to how things work here, and I’m willing to adjust to make stuff as easy to grok.

     Generally, I try to discover how systems work, and how I can benefit from them.

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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 14:39:17 JST maegul

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     @atomicpoet @ActiveCultures
     Fair (and to be clear I'm not on BS or a BS/ATP advocate/shill or anything) ... but you are generally well connected, relevant and known here so I'm not entirely convinced your personal experiences/successes here are a good comparison with the casual user.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 16:02:04 JST Chris Trottier

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     • maegul
     • ActiveCultures

     @maegul @ActiveCultures People keep bringing up the very tired “Linux on the desktop” meme. But a meme is just a meme.

     In the real world, Linux dominates.

     Your phone? Probably Linux. Your car’s infotainment system? Linux. Your router? Linux.

     Chromebook? Linux.

     Windows has a Linux Subsystem too.

     Linux has won.

     The “Linux on the desktop” naysayers don’t even realize it.

     The Fediverse should be so lucky.

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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 16:02:05 JST maegul

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     @atomicpoet @ActiveCultures

     And I believe that. But does that not make you the exception rather than the norm when it comes to the general public? Could one take your post above out of context and easily make the argument that mastodon advocates are just like linux desktop advocates that have no idea how little people want to go through the work and would rather a macOS "it just works" experience.

     I won't do that, but you take my point re comparisons with other platforms.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 16:03:17 JST Chris Trottier

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     • maegul
     • ActiveCultures
     • Dock Bunson

     @SrRochardBunson @ActiveCultures @maegul You are the Linux guy, though. Every day, in fact.

     Linux is all around us, and we don’t even need to think about it.

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     Dock Bunson (srrochardbunson@calckey.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 16:03:25 JST Dock Bunson

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     • maegul
     • ActiveCultures

     @maegul@hachyderm.io @atomicpoet@mastodon.social @ActiveCultures@mastodon.art
     
     I've always kind of wanted to "be the linux guy" but I'm not. I am some combination of too lazy/interested in other things. You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, though.
     
     The fediverse is the only place that I trust interacting with random people, that I have no other connection with.
     
     I have other forums, discord, etc. for certain groups, but I did a sniff test in November and nothing has changed my opinion.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 16:21:51 JST Chris Trottier

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     • maegul
     • ActiveCultures

     @maegul @ActiveCultures Largely, I don’t think this or that platform matters. The real point is ActivityPub (e.g., “the kernel”, in your analogy), and every other protocol that makes this happen.

     It doesn’t matter if someone doesn’t like Mastodon because there’s probably something else that utilizes ActivityPub that will be preferable to them.

     Or maybe not ActivityPub. Maybe Zot or AT instead.

     Point is, this is where social media is going.

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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 16:21:52 JST maegul

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     @atomicpoet @ActiveCultures
     From a broad tech perspective, I completely agree with your point. Though I suspect it'd more applicable to compare the linux kernel to ActivityPub (??). I'm talking about linux desktop. And yea, it's tired but also kinda real. My point was that you seemed to have just described yourself as someone looking to deploy the argument against mastodon/fediverse would expect an advocate to be.

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     Shen Qingguo (beautiful67373@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-May-2023 11:41:26 JST Shen Qingguo

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     @atomicpoet @fediversenews This looks interesting, let me know what your thoughts are.