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   Steven Bell :pci: (stevenb@podcastindex.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 20:37:30 JST Steven Bell :pci:

   Does the Nostr community seem like they even care about value splits? The value splits seem so crucial to moving forward with any v4v model that isn't a simple paid like of a comment, and it's hard for me to get behind something that doesn't support value splits after being convinced of how valuable they are.

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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 20:37:22 JST silverpill

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     • errhead

     @errhead @StevenB

     This PeerTube video has "support" property:

     "support": "https://anav4v.com\r\n\r\n⚡jennifer@getalby.com",

     Mastodon doesn't support this property, and I don't see anything else that could represent payment information. Maybe WebLN works through embedded video?

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     errhead (errhead@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 20:37:23 JST errhead

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     @silverpill @StevenB

     #PeerTube with the lightning plug-in has this capability. Channel owners can configure splits for their channel, and viewers on PeerTube with a WebLN capable browsers can stream Sats or send boostagrams.

     https://noagendatube.com/w/iPFwMR7SXb4CQjNGoVTdn1

     When viewing PeerTube videos on a Mastodon timeline, if WebLN is detected and a split is configured, there will be a lightning icon you can click to send a boostagram from the timeline.

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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 20:37:24 JST silverpill

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     • Adam Curry :pci: :pc2blue:

     @StevenB @adam
     I found this: https://github.com/Podcastindex-org/podcast-namespace/blob/main/value/value.md. What do you think about exposing payment information to ActivityPub users?
     For example: ActivityPub representation of a podcast episode may contain a tag analogous to podcast:value tag. If commenter uses an app that recognizes this tag and the app supports specified payment method, he would be able to send a payment to the creator directly from that app (e.g. Mastodon).

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     Steven Bell :pci: (stevenb@podcastindex.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 20:37:25 JST Steven Bell :pci:

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     • silverpill

     @silverpill @adam

     Yeah, there is an overlap. We're calling it cross-app comments, and it's using the socialInteract RSS tag.

     Podverse has them in their app. https://podverse.fm/episode/dTWX_aqL- Click on the comments, and you'll see this.

     Same thing with the Podcast Index page.
     https://podcastindex.org/podcast/920666

     Everything there is from AP.

     One issue apps are having is how to make it easy to post comments from within the app. The displaying comments has been solved, but next is in-app replies to comments.

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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 20:37:26 JST silverpill

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     • Adam Curry :pci: :pc2blue:

     @StevenB @adam I don't know much about Podcasting 2.0, but it looks like there are RSS extensions, and payment infrastructure built on top of that. So I'm wondering, how does AP fit into Podcasting 2.0, if at all? If there is an overlap between Fediverse and what @adam is doing, particularly in the domain of payments, I'd be interested to learn more about that

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     Steven Bell :pci: (stevenb@podcastindex.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 20:37:27 JST Steven Bell :pci:

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     • silverpill

     @silverpill @adam

     What did you have in mind concerning AP?

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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 20:37:28 JST silverpill

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     • Adam Curry :pci: :pc2blue:

     @adam @StevenB Do you have any plans regarding Fediverse/ActivityPub?

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     Adam Curry :pci: :pc2blue: (adam@podcastindex.social)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 20:37:29 JST Adam Curry :pci: :pc2blue:

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     @StevenB nostr will never be a solid distribution system or model.

     It has plenty of uses and I use it myself.

     The last board meeting proved to me we are on the right path.

     I've been talking to music people (artists and business) and am receiving good and positive feedback.

     Once you explain how the value block circumvents the publishing and performance institutions, people really take notice.

     nostr will never get past the "tipping" stage, and has zero incentives for developers.

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     errhead (errhead@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 05:06:13 JST errhead

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     • silverpill

     @silverpill @StevenB

     Yes, the embedded PeerTube player checks the channel for the Boostagram split information. if it finds split information and the browser has WebLN it addss the boost button.to the player.

     Mastodon direct support of lightning payments doesn't seem likely, Soapbox is the next most likely Activity Pub software to enable Lightning support

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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 05:06:13 JST silverpill

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     @errhead @StevenB

     I wrote a proposal for AP extension which may unlock direct support for lightning payments in Fediverse: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/feps/fep-0ea0.md. It is not designed specifically for LN, but for all types of payment methods. The only requirement is that payment target must be encoded as URI.
     Do you know if it is possible to represent split information with URI?

     I'm going to support this extension in my software, maybe other developers will also implement it, eventually.

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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 06:44:16 JST silverpill

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     • errhead

     @eris @StevenB @errhead No, that's not what I'm after. I leave that to https://helladoge.com admins

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     Eris (eris@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 06:44:17 JST Eris

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     • errhead
     @silverpill @errhead @StevenB If you turn Fedi into cryptard Hell I’m leaving.
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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 09:02:48 JST silverpill

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     • John Livingston
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     • Dave

     @agates @dave @adam @StevenB @John_Livingston Yes, coming up with best practices is a good idea, otherwise we may end up with multiple incompatible implementations. I recommend using FEP process for coordination. It's a good way to gather feedback from potential implementers and a wider AP community.

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     unsafe { Sir Alecks Gates } (agates@activitypub.agates.io)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 09:02:49 JST unsafe { Sir Alecks Gates }

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     • John Livingston
     • silverpill
     • Dave
     @silverpill
     
     Not directly related but
     
     1) We're having similar talks with @John_Livingston regarding aligning chat specifications between the Podcast XML namespace and ActivityPub. I wonder if we could come up with some kind of "best practices" for going between XML Schema <-> JSON-LD?
     2) Similarly, @John_Livingston mentioned PeerTube 5.1.0 allows plugins to modify the ActivityPub object which would allow this functionally, once we decide what it could be
     
     CC @dave @errhead
     
     @StevenB @adam
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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 21:35:13 JST silverpill

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     • John Livingston
     • unsafe { Sir Alecks Gates }
     • Dave

     @John_Livingston @dave @adam @StevenB @agates A new proposal has been submitted that describes how to map non-ActivityPub entities to ActivityPub objects: FEP-fffd: Proxy Objects.

     I thought it might be relevant to apps supporting both RSS and AP. Discussion: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-fffd-proxy-objects/3172

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     John Livingston (john_livingston@mamot.fr)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 21:35:15 JST John Livingston

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     • unsafe { Sir Alecks Gates }
     • silverpill
     • Dave

     @silverpill
     Yes, in my case i plan to propose a FEP very soon!

     @dave @adam @StevenB @agates