@Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) (streams) has always been a fully-fledged Fediverse server application capable of working as a decentralised social network, only that it has been slimmed down in extra features in comparison to Hubzilla to be easier to maintain. Its federation is reduced to Nomad, Zot6 and ActivityPub, and apps like Calendar, Articles, Webpages and Wiki are gone, too, while it got to keep WebDAV, CardDAV and now-headless CalDAV. On the other hand, its ActivityPub connectivity has been improved.
Its original intention was not to be built into other projects, but other projects to be built around/on top of it by developing add-ons for it and giving it a name. (streams) itself doesn't have a name, doesn't have a brand, doesn't have a logo and isn't actually even a project, only a software repository. But if you take what's in that software repository and install it on a Web server, you still get something that blows Friendica out of the water in all but cross-protocol federation, calendar and maybe fancy UI elements.
Its main "issues", apart from not handling anything like Mastodon either, are that it has precious few public instances with open sign-up, and that its very concept (it doesn't have a unique identifier for its instances, and it's being kept away from all instance listing websites) makes its instances next to impossible to find unless you already know one.
@Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) Streams isn't a fully functional platform Try telling that to @Mike Macgirvin 🖥️ and the other (streams) users who are fully convinced that (streams) is ready for prime time.
@Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) "a full, nomadic-identity-style move from Mastodon to anywhere is technically impossible"
It really isn't. Moving your social graph is built in. The lack of content portability is a problem, but there's tool now that helps with that ✨ It still isn't nomadic identity style.
Imagine you move from foo.social to bar.social. Your whole account, just without the instance-specific login credentials, moves along with you. Including all your posts.
Now it comes: Your posts don't re-appear on everyone's timelines as new, unread posts as they normally would. They don't appear as read double posts either. Your whole backlog of existing posts on everyone's timelines all over the Fediverse are being automatically re-assigned from tokyo_0@foo.social to tokyo_0@bar.social as the author.
Also, nobody has to re-follow you. All your followers and all your followed are being automatically re-assigned from tokyo_0@foo.social to tokyo_0@bar.social, too, without having to do anything themselves.
Also, your account on foo.social is completely wiped and ceases to exist.
Afterwards, everything looks like you've always been on bar.social.
That would be nomadic identity style.
"99% of all Fediverse newbies are railroaded to Mastodon without being told what else there is in the Fediverse"
That's not really what happens, though. No one is strong-arming people to join Mastodon. It's just the one that's caught attention. That's because the main gateway into the Fediverse is not fediverse.party or fediverse.info. It's rather mastodon.social or the official Mastodon app which nudges everyone to mastodon.social, too. Or for Japanese users, it's misskey.io.
Justifiedly so. If you tell people who want to get away from Musk that they first have to choose one out of dozens of Fediverse projects and then one out of dozens or hundreds or thousands of instances without even knowing what either is, they'll nope out because that's way too complicated.
If you railroad them to mastodon.social and leave them to figure out everything themselves when they're ready for it, they'll bite because that's easy enough.
@Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) The rest of your argument is self-perpetuating; people use Mastodon because they hear about it, and they don't want to move, so they just wait for it to change? Yes, because moving is so inconvenient. And a full, nomadic-identity-style move from Mastodon to anywhere is technically impossible. But many won't do less than that.
So more and more people use Mastodon even though they hate it? Yes, because 99% of all Fediverse newbies are railroaded to Mastodon without being told what else there is in the Fediverse because that'd just confuse them. People usually take three to six months to even only discover that there are alternatives to Mastodon in the Fediverse, at which point they've fully settled into Mastodon.
The newbies don't hate Mastodon for not being as powerful as e.g. Sharkey. They love it for not being 𝕏. And they've never even heard of Sharkey at that point, so they can't and won't compare Mastodon to Sharkey.
One, you can't move from Mastodon to any other Fediverse project with all your content, all your posts, all your settings, all your connections just like so, just like you can move from Hubzilla to (streams).
Two, Mastodon is the only Fediverse project with full, extensive, guaranteed iOS app support. Most "Fediverse" apps are built against Mastodon first and foremost or against Mastodon only. And almost everyone on Mastodon is on phones, mostly iPhones.
Three, coming from Twitter and adapting to Mastodon was hard enough already, and some still haven't recovered from that. You can't expect them to move and learn something new again.
And thus, everyone stays on Mastodon, waiting for features that are perfectly standard pretty much everywhere else to be introduced to their home instance.
And I'm not even counting those who aren't aware what the rest of the Fediverse can do. Or those who simply don't know that there is such a rest of the Fediverse because they think the Fediverse is only Mastodon.
@Ryan Schultz The same people who can't be bothered to add anything to their profiles don't look at anyone else's either. Or at what whoever they want to follow has posted, save for their latest post.
firefish.social, Firefish's lighthouse instance, has stopped working due to half a year of neglect by its only admin who is also Firefish's only core maintainer.
It's time the people behind ActivityPub finally accept @Mike Macgirvin 🖥️'s proposals. Nomadic identity shouldn't stay exclusive to Hubzilla and (streams).
And if that happens, all Fediverse projects that have a quote-post/quote-boost/quote-tweet/quote-toot/share feature will have to have that flag reverse-engineered from Mastodon's source code and implemented a functionality that greys out the corresponding button under "no quote-toot" posts. And all their instances will have to upgrade to a version that fully supports that flag before Mastodon rolls out that flag. Or else Mastodon will defederate all their instances for being non-compliant.
This will at least affect Friendica and everything that can be traced back to it, including Hubzilla and (streams), as well as Misskey and everything that can be traced back to it, including Firefish whose development is dead and dozens upon dozens of other Forkeys.
If this actually comes, and if it's enforced immediately after release with no grace period, Mastodon could just as well fully be defederated from the rest of the Fediverse due to being incompatible. It'd cause a rift between Mastodon and the non-Mastodon Fediverse anyway because the former would have a requirement for federation which the latter is incapable of fulfilling.
Those who want Threads around want Threads being unblocked to be the default.
Those who want Threads blocked want Threads being blocked to be the default.
It's all a question of personal convenience, also because it's highly likely for mobile users to have to fire up a Web browser, navigate to their home instance and blocking/unblocking Threads on the Web interface because their mobile app doesn't have any such setting.
"I want my preference to be the default setting for everybody because having to configure something makes Mastodon too complicated!"
Or even:
"I want my preference to be hard-coded for everybody because adding one more setting makes Mastodon too complicated!"
I guess it isn't rare for either to go along with wanting the whole Fediverse to be either Mastodon proper or exactly like vanilla Mastodon. Maybe even exactly like Mastodon 3.x before certain features that are common everywhere else in the Fediverse were introduced to Mastodon such as full-text search, displaying text formatting or displaying quotes. Because it's so hard to wrap your mind around there being differences between Mastodon on one side and stuff like Firefish, Friendica or Hubzilla on the other side.
@Kristian Speaking :hatt: And since this is limited to the official Mastodon app and then the default Mastodon Web UI, the whole rest of the Fediverse won't even notice and will be able to carry on as usual.
(Disclaimer: I've read this post here on Hubzilla because it was forwarded to me by the Friendica forum Fediverse News. But technically speaking, what I'm doing right now is almost exactly what this new development aims to prevent.)
Experienced users of #Friendica, #Hubzilla and #Streams can confirm this; these three projects have both the Title field the Summary field implemented.
@Chloe Tse :BlobhajSadReach: @Konaburd That's because not few #Mastodon users, especially newbies, haven't understood what these hashtags mean. It's even worse when they think they have.
So for everyone out there:
#Alt4Me is for everyone, sighted or not, who can't write their own #AltTexts but who cares enough to want to have #AltText on their images.
#Alt4You is for replies with alt-text upon posts with pictures without alt-text.
Feel free to boost this like crazy so that at least a few more people get it.
The #HoloNeon grid has announced that it will create an elaborate, bi-directional connection between the grid and its own (streams) instance. This will actually include the automatic creation of an #OpenSim avatar for each channel created.
I sincerely hope they'll #OpenSource that development.
Here's the official announcement:
Aeris Irides schrieb den folgenden Beitrag Sun, 20 Aug 2023 05:28:06 +0200We will connect streams federated server to OpenSimulator federated metaverse server.
Objectives:
create account will happen on streams, account will be created on OpenSimulator server.
Sync passwords when updated on streams instance.
Photos marked full perm in OS will show up on streams feed
Profile photo changed in OS will appear on streams profile and vice-versa
Notifications (@metions, @replies, @privatemessage, etc) will popup in OS viewer.
A bit of explanation, especially for those of you who don't know the Fediverse beyond Mastodon and Lemmy:
#Streams is a code repository which contains a Fediverse server application created in 2022 that can be seen as a descendant of the #RedMatrix from 2012 and its successor #Hubzilla (see here) from 2015. While it doesn't have quite as many features as Hubzilla, it still goes well beyond what Mastodon has to offer and even surpasses Lemmy here and there. It offers #NomadicIdentity which is nothing new; the Red Matrix was created to introduce it, and Hubzilla has it, too.
Since this Fediverse server application is intentionally nameless and brandless, it is usually being referred to by the name of the repository in parentheses: (streams).
Before you ask: Yes, (streams) federates with Mastodon and Lemmy.
And now for those of you who have found this post elsewhere than on Lemmy:
Unlike so many others, it wasn't created recently to cash in on the metaverse hype. It has been around since 2007, it has been federated since 2008, and the OpenSim community has been using the term "metaverse" regularly since at least 2010, most likely even longer. It's also non-commercial at its core, and it probably offers the cheapest land of all virtual worlds.
Holo Neon is one of over 400 known active OpenSim grids (worlds), most of which, like Holo Neon, are connected to each other on the so-called #Hypergrid.
It's one of only very few which have a #cryptocurrency integrated, and the one that Holo Neon uses can't be traded for real money. Most grids don't have any currency at all; some use the grid-overarching Gloebit, some only have "monopoly money" that can't be traded with real money, and a very few commercial grids have their own currencies.
#OpenSim itself is absolutely legit. It's a free and open-source re-implementation of the technology of #SecondLife, created in 2007, and largely compatible with Second Life viewers. It serves as the technological base for over 400 grids, most of which are inter-connected in the so-called #Hypergrid, including large ones such as non-commercial OSgrid or commercial Kitely.
Avatar Life looks like someone wanted to jump upon the "#Metaverse get-rich-quick scheme" bandwagon and launch yet another 3-D virtual world with a blockchain, a cryptocurrency and NFTs, even more so by offering in-world crypto-gambling. But developing a virtual world platform would have been too costly and taken too much time. So they took OpenSim which is free-of-charge to use and at least tried to bolt a cryptocurrency onto it.
Two things are interesting. One, they offer free land. That's only logical. Look at Second Life land prices. Look at what you pay for a standard region. Most OpenSim grids offer you a standard region with a whopping 15,000 prims for around $10/month. The only way to beat this is by offering free land.
Two, they claim that Avatar Life is connected to the Hypergrid. In theory, it is. In practice, they seem to have blocked all other grids. It's impossible to get there. The Hypergrid connection claim is only there to gain people's trust and whet their appetites and to eventually get them to create an avatar on Avatar Life.
@♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 "For example, in your OP, you had do this: person/a creature/a character/an avatar/a static dummy/etc. and how I describe that person/creature/character/avatar/static dummy, no matter how small and far away, and I mention that the person/creature/character/avatar/static dummy is" That's because I had to cover a lot, including but not limited to:
real-life humans
real-life animals
drawn/animated human characters
drawn/animated furry characters
drawn/animated animal characters
drawn/animated feral animals
video game characters
avatars in virtual worlds (may appear in my pictures)
computer-controlled non-player characters in virtual worlds based on OpenSimulator (may appear in my pictures)
computer-controlled animesh figures in Second Life or virtual worlds based on OpenSimulator (may appear in my pictures)
static, non-moving dummy figures in virtual worlds (may appear in my pictures)
two-dimensional, semi-transparent, "cardboard-style", static, non-moving dummy props based on photographs or screenshots or drawings of humans or furry characters or animals (may appear in my pictures)
"> There might be autistic people in the Fediverse who already feel uneasy when a "person" …
There are. ^_^" Okay, just for me to understand this: I will now confront you with links to a few pictures which I'd flag "CW: eye contact" whereas other people wouldn't even know where there's someone who'd make eye contact.
Example #1: this image from this blog post (this link leads to actual, fairly close-up eye contact).
If I understand you correctly, both the female avatar at roughly 20% from the left-hand edge and 60% from the top edge, the two static guard dummies on both sides of the entrance to the building, the horse beneath the trees and the rocks, to the left of the building, the prized cow way off to the right of the entrance (its left eye is not covered) and the head sculpture inside the building can be triggers that need to be hidden.
Example #2: this image from this blog post (this link leads to more close-up eye contact than the example).
On the path that leads through the image, fairly close to the edge to the left, there's a cart with what looks like an static dummy ox in front. There's a human static dummy standing behind the neck of the ox. The on-looker is well within the field of view of the ox, and the human is oriented such that his face is largely on the visible side of his head. In both cases, it can only be estimated where the eyes are. Still, if I understand you correctly, both the human and the ox can be critical triggers.
Example #3: this image from this blog post (don't scroll beyond this image once you've found it).
Even disregarding the huge posters above the stage, every avatar or occasional NPC dance partner in this animated image can be a trigger for showing their face unless they permanently turn their back and the back of their head towards the on-looker.
"I'll end it with another example since we're already on the topic. You haven't asked yet if you should use “autistic [person]” or “person with autism”. It's a very heated subject." I think the correct term should be "person in the autistic spectrum".
But I keep forgetting stuff. I can write a monstrous image description, redact it, add a missing transcription which I had previously practically apologised for not having been able to write, end up posting a 13,000-character behemoth and then realise I've forgotten to mention that it's a digital rendering and to describe what that "Metropolis robot Maria" look-alike actually looks like.
@♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 Well, I can't go by what only one community finds acceptable. I've got followers from all over the place, and I don't see when someone boosts my posts. They may end up in the federated or even local timelines of all kinds of instances. Technically speaking, I have to follow the rules of all these instances.
And then there's what individuals feel. There might be autistic people in the Fediverse who already feel uneasy when a "person" measures fewer than two dozen pixels in a very busy, very detailed image with all kinds of big and small things in it, but the face of that "person" is halfway discernable, so it means that "person" must be looking in their general direction.
Maybe there are even those who feel uneasy about a "person" that's only 4 pixels in an 800-pixel-wide image, but my description says that "person" is not oriented away from the camera, and the top pixel has a tendency of being flesh-coloured.
Mein "Geburtstag" ist natürlich nicht mein Geburtstag, sondern mein Rezztag. Seit dem Tag gibt es meinen ersten Avatar.Meine "Homepage" ist mein Blog zum selben Thema wie dieser Kanal, #OpenSim und virtuelle Welten im allgemeinen. Es ist im Fediverse und sollte föderieren mit Mastodon, Pleroma und Friendica, hat aber auch einen Atom-Feed.#OpenSim #OpenSimulator #VirtualWorlds #VirtuelleWelten #Metaverse #Metaversum #SocialVR #fedi22