Notices by Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org), page 9

@lanodan @SuperDicq there is also a throughline in RMS's remarks generally wherein he does not understand power dynamics with respect to sex: between a minor and an adult, a teacher and a student, an employer and an employee

@SuperDicq there's a lot to unpack in this (and thanks for writing it, I agree with some parts, not with others, but it's articulate and reasonably stated), but I can't help but assume you're responding to a best-faith interpretation of Stallman's remarks. What I'm curious is whether or not you can draw *patterns* from the long-term trends in his speech: the cases he remarks upon, the people he defends, the details he fixates on. (maybe a good opportunity to review my earlier article on him)

@Huubje he didn't actually meaningfully apologize, and, importantly, did not change his behavior

Another question to stimulate discussion:

If we take at face value that sexist and problematic behavior in FOSS is, at least partially, explained by a high incidence of neurodivergence in this community, and it's ableist to condemn behavior which is explainable by neurodivergence: is avoiding such criticism and censure on this basis putting the comfort of neurodivergent participants ahead of the comfort of women in our spaces, and if so, is that appropriate?

If no one offers a better term I'm going to coin the word "neurotypicalism"

@quinze "neurospicy" is great lol

Thanks for the feedback!

Also is there a -phobia sort of word for fear or hatred towards neurodivergence

Also, while I have your attention, do you feel that terms "neurodiverse", "neurodivergent", and "neurotypical" are the most appropriate contemporary vocabulary for this discourse?

"Richard Stallman's problematic behavior, particularly with respect to his views on sexual harassment, sexual assault, and sexualizing minors, are best explained by his (supposed) neurodivergence, and to call for his censure on this basis is discriminatory and ableist"

I've heard this argument (paraphrased) many times. Neurodivergent folks on fedi: can you chime in with your thoughts? Please refrain from replying if you do not have a personal experience with neurodiversity.

"We are in a post-Postel world."

https://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20240924105732

😘

The state of Missouri is set to murder an innocent person in three hours.

https://innocenceproject.org/cases/marcellus-williams/

Call Governor Parson right now and demand a stay of execution:

+1 417-373-3400

@SuperDicq @finlaydag33k we might request not to record select sessions if necessary, but on the whole I think that it won't cause any shitstorms and they'll mostly be contained to communities that are already populated by full-time seethes

@SuperDicq @finlaydag33k btw, any discussion on RMS, if it were tabled, would be less "let's dogpile on RMS" and more "can we agree that the allegations regarding RMS are true, and that the calls for him to step down or be removed are justified" (topic 1), and if a consensus is reached, "why did the calls to action fail, does this highlight structural problems with the FSF or FOSS generally, what are the long-term effects of this series of events, and what might we do differently" (topic 2)

@SuperDicq @finlaydag33k agreed.

@lanodan @SuperDicq @finlaydag33k true. But anyway, I definitely would not plan on being the sole moderator for the whole devroom lol, it would be easy to step down for a particular discussion which I have a strong opinion about

@finlaydag33k @SuperDicq why are you afraid of discussing controversial topics? Here you speak as if controversy is axiomatically undesirable.

@finlaydag33k @SuperDicq sometimes it's beneficial, and necessary, to talk about difficult subjects.

@SuperDicq @finlaydag33k I don't think that's true. First, because I would not necessarily be the moderator for this particular discussion, and might instead participate with an aim to justify my position under the facilitation of someone else; second, because I am perfectly capable of withdrawing my personal opinions and acting as a dispassionate moderator

@SuperDicq @finlaydag33k RMS is a shitty person and talking about that is on-topic as far as I'm concerned. It's not a smear campaign if it's true.

https://drewdevault.com/2023/11/25/2023-11-26-RMS-on-sex.html

@SuperDicq @finlaydag33k of course that topic would be carefully moderated and would focus on keeping it factual and respectful without leveling personal attacks and vitriol -- but the fact of the matter is that RMS is a problem