Notices by Dan Shick (datn@hact.org)

@feditips might be a good idea to state why you think they shouldn’t press this button. even though the archive is currently unimportable most places, it is fair to say that may change soon thanks to the ever-evolving codebases of fedi software. people should have a copy of their archives just in case.

@technomancy good luck getting any given person to not use a Thing on the Internet. most of my adult life has been spent begging my friends and acquaintances to stay away from X, Y or Z site. nobody ever listens.

@evan @mav well, you linked me to the executive summary, so i’m still no wiser. it’s not important, though; i believe we will just have to agree to disagree. thank you for being civil!

@evan @mav if that’s so, i can’t find it. thanks –

@evan @mav I don’t have $2500 lying around for access to the Radicati report. i’d say the meat of the argument is somewhere between your two extremes, but closer to “Gmail took over email”.

how about “don’t you think giant for-profit companies will continue to screw over the open internet, specifically the fediverse?” but perhaps you’ve already answered that to your own satisfaction. sorry to bother!

@evan @mav sample size is much larger than one. this article has made many rounds through my networks; each time all the old heads like me pour one out for the days when one could run one’s own server.

the reason is spam, and the response of the dominant email providers to that spam. i believe if we had fewer monolithic email providers, we’d have better email client and server software that could handle that spam. as it stands, the few big sites call all the shots.

@evan @mav further: 1/3 of all email is a LOT of email, and i don’t see any evidence to support your claim that email is growing faster than Gmail. that seems wrong on its face.

i suppose you can argue the reversal of cause and effect here too, but i think some of us in the discussion will still perceive you as failing to respond to the meat of the argument put before you.

@hallam @mekkaokereke @evan @markallerton @ks i think this misses the point. people have put up search engines already, and they have been defederated and decried into oblivion. it just happened again like three days ago.

as @mekkaokereke points out, it’s the user safety issue that’s bleeding by far the worst right now. why? because groups that had some kind of a safe haven on twitter are essentially being forced to migrate away as it becomes a right-wing nightmare. the fediverse has a unique chance to accommodate the needs of those groups.

so now is the time to address user safety, not things that have yet to successfully pose a problem but a thing that is a live, on-fire problem for many, many people joining the fediverse. all hands and all resources on deck IMHO –

i believe @darius had some thoughts about moderation as a service that wouldn’t be out of place here. i hope it’s okay that i link one of his comments here:

https://friend.camp/@darius/109400547664856917

@hallam @darius @mekkaokereke @ks @markallerton @evan sir, with respect, they are already here. they have been here for years. this is a present tense thing, not a future tense thing.