Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 4

@Hyolobrika
> (so the theory goes) it deters spam to have to pay for the privilege of posting

So basically the same logic as charging per unit for electricity, or water, or landfill collection while not charging for recycling, to discourage waste. In all four cases, the logic is sound as far it goes, but it only works in a situation where everyone has roughly equal access to wealth.

In other words, not the world be live in.

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@serapath
> nostr has way more potential than the others in terms of avoiding centralized overlords

How? People can have the same control over their fediverse experience that they have with Nostr, by running their own server. Most people don't, but that's a choice that's always available.

That keeps admins accountable, in the same way that Free Code licensing keeps developers accountable. Even if most people never audit or fork the code.

@rabble

@serapath
> lets see how nomadic identity or account portability works

Hubzilla had it before AP was published. But that was thanks to Zot protocol. It's taken a while to figure out how to reimplement it on top of AP.

> Nostr already avoids the need for choosing a specific instance

Sure, but that comes with as many cons as pros, especially when it comes to spam prevention, moderation etc. Also it just moves the chokepoint to the cost of running relays, doing app dev etc.

@rabble

@serapath
> moderation can be implemented permissionlessly. nostr idea is it is simple and ppl can just implement stuff on top permissionlessly

Get back to me when there's 10 million people on Nostr and it hasn't modified its topology, and isn't awash in spam (hint: it's already awash in spam).

@rabble

@Hyolobrika
> I haven't noticed any spam on Nostr

Wikipedia:

"Spamming is the use of messaging systems to send multiple unsolicited messages (spam) to large numbers of recipients for the purpose of commercial advertising, non-commercial proselytizing"

The vast majority of the postings I've seen on Nostr are what would be treated as a crypto-spam here. There are a multitude of demonstrated vectors for sending spam, and Nostr not even at the Early Adopter stage of growth.

@serapath @rabble

It just occurred to me that Nostr is allowing us to offload a whole lot of spammers and RedPills from the fediverse. Which is a great example of why the drop in MAU on the fediverse post-Eternal November (prior to the current bump) could have been good news, rather than the growth-cult bad news that the SillyCon Valley business press made it out to be.

@serapath
> unsolicited is literally many messages here on mastodon

Are they sent ...

"... to large numbers of recipients for the purpose of commercial advertising, non-commercial proselytizing"

?

To be clear I'm not referring to people just talking to each other about BitCoin (although the cultyness is gross), I'm talking about people trying to push product.

@serapath
> i think the rest depends on the settings of the relays you add

I suspect that's going to be the Nostr equivalent of 'depends on the settings of the server you join' ; )

@serapath
> you yourself can make a backup trivially, just by installing a client on a new device and logging in. it will sync all your data automatically. no expert knowledge required

I'm curious to see just how trivial this is in practice. I've yet to find a second client that meets my software freedom standards.

Random question; would it be possible to create a private social network inside Nostr, that has no contact with (most of) the existing population?

#Nostr

"Private Mentions are their own strange beast, as it’s sometimes unclear who is actually privy to the conversation. More than a few times, I’ve seen people get accidentally mentioned in private gossip that was about them, because people thought Private Mentions worked like Twitter DMs. They don’t. It’s horribly awkward. Don’t do that."

@deadsuperhero

https://wedistribute.org/2023/11/debunking-the-top-10-myths-about-mastodon/#h-myth-9-mastodon-is-the-same-thing-as-the-fediverse

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#Mastodon #privacy #DirectPosts

#TIL about #SubClub;

"The overall idea behind sub.club is simple: people can pay a set amount of recurring donations, and gain access to posts from a private ActivityPub account for exclusive content. Creators using sub.club post private DM’s to their sub.club actor, and these messages get relayed into the private feed."

@deadsuperhero

https://wedistribute.org/2024/09/subclub-paid-subscriptions/

#WeDistribute #ActivityPub #WebPayments #Funding #Creators

@davidrevoy
> there will never be a single Wayland method to configure a tablet under any desktop environment, but a Gnome-on-Wayland method, a KDE/Plasma-on-Wayland method, a Sway-on-Wayland method, etc

> I'm using a Debian 12 KDE on X11 setup. On it, I could setup the tablet correctly with a collection of xsetwacom command-lines executed at system boot via a script

Sounds like Wayland kind of sucks.

#Wayland #X11

"More than 42,000 people have gathered as the Hīkoi mō te Tiriti overflows from Parliament's grounds and onto nearby Wellington streets."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/534140/live-42-000-join-as-treaty-principles-bill-hikoi-reaches-parliament

That's the numbers the cops have given RNZ. Based on the numbers journalists reported they were given by the cops, about protests I attended, I suspect the full number of Hīkoi participants today is probably many times that.

#Hīkoi #TreatyPrinciplesBill

@stinerman
> Dorsey left because Bluesky wanted to moderate

That makes no sense. Distributed moderation was part of the plan from day one.

@fifilamoura @davetroy

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@williampietri
> they aren't doing distributed moderation in the style that Dorsey wanted. They're just doing standard centralized moderation where they ban sufficiently awful people/content

Sounds like a reasonable criticism to me. Surely we've all seen centralized moderation fail spectacularly, enough times to know that it doesn't work at scale?

@stinerman @fifilamoura @davetroy

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@williampietri
> Dorsey is now backing Nostr, which doesn't do that, and is consequently full of awful stuff

So is the fediverse, in theory;

https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/24/23806093/mastodon-csam-study-decentralized-network

Doesn't mean we have to see any of it.

We are seeing experiments with cross-server moderation in the verse (IFTAS etc). The same principles can and will be used by @rabble et al to develop effective distributed moderation for Nostr, for those who want it.

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@williampietri
> That's the natural outcome of building stuff to free-speech-absolutist ideals

I reject this whole 'free speech = awful stuff' framing. There's no need to demonise freedom of speech to argue for moderation tools.

The fediverse totally respects freedom of speech. Anyone can spin up an ActivityPub server and say whatever they want.

It also totally respects freedom of association. Any person or server can choose not to receive speech from any other person or server.

"From 1980 to 2010, the opening of China, India, and the former Soviet bloc to the global economy doubled the size of the global labor force, creating competition that limited wage growth in advanced economies. Although wage stagnation was hardly a cause for celebration in the United States or Europe, it further limited inflation pressures."

#EdwardAlden, 2022

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/05/03/globalization-deglobalization-inflation-economy-trade-borders/

Again with the myth that wage growth causes inflation, rather than vice-versa? Le sigh.

#inflation

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@Suiseiseki
> [Open Source is] a development model that only cares about public, fast development, that doesn't really care if the software is proprietary or free

This is Vulgar Stallmanism. It might have looked that way to Stallman in the early days of the OSI, but their valiant defence against the Ethical Source and Source Available crowds suggest otherwise.

> the "OSI" has approved at least 2 proprietary licenses

Citations please.