Notices by Växẍ Säbbäth (vaxxsabbath@detroitriotcity.com), page 2

@PNS but that’s the magic of the word “Nigger”; it does not compel, it does not suggest, it simply is

a Ding an Sich, a thing-in-itself, a semantic node of power, timeless and limitless

@PNS I mean honestly that is a pretty hilarious summary of all kinds of things, works for all kinds of stuff

@vii I’ll say

https://xcancel.com/BRICSinfo/status/2017755027192893852

so, the play is now clear: all, or at least some critical percentage, of the “Epstein files” being released have been substituted with AI-generated slop

(see the tells in this picture: “froin”, “Baal.”, “above.”, and so forth - these are all AI solecisms, or at any rate, bad text-recognition)

paging @ceo_of_monoeye_dating for an image analysis

@Dubbub @ceo_of_monoeye_dating the interesting part is “why would you see OCR errors in something that was ostensibly the printout of an email”

@Humpleupagus @spectatorindex @Frondeur @eee how the fuck do you manage to make telecom terms sound pornographic

@Humpleupagus @PNS @LordOfTheKangs @TrevorGoodchild @nobullyplz put it this way: you’ll be the one raping the malfeasing MD, Trevor will be the one smiling benevolently down and oh-so-carefully pressing the scalpel juuuuuuuust hard enough over the right carotid artery to barely not break the skin, all while saying silently with unsmiling eyes over a thin smirk that no motion to escape will be permitted

@TrevorGoodchild @Humpleupagus @PNS @LordOfTheKangs @nobullyplz

doctor in thread

lawyer in thread

doctor 🤝 lawyer:

“….BY OUR MALICE COMBINED!!!”

[Malpractice Rape Bot shimmers into existence]

@freemayonnaise @Godsend @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @SilverDeth @p @thebitchisback @bonifartius @graf @takao right, and what that tech has made easy is “enabling faggy oligarchs to attain their dreams of world conquest without the necessity of enduring personal risk”, mostly through the discovery of several clever ways to hack the dopaminergic systems of higher primates

when you make different choices of how to construct the underlying terrain of the system, different things are ultimately made easy thereby through the magic of emergent behaviors; this requires a great deal of speculative systems thinking to project forward design consequences far enough to see the outcomes

@freemayonnaise @Godsend @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @SilverDeth @p @thebitchisback @bonifartius @graf @takao clearly the world is shaped by tech, and equally clearly, the problem with its current shape is what current tech makes easy

(see the entire bit I posted about how these problems recur because the environment is in similar shapes; when you do the same things, you get the same outcomes)

different tech shapes things differently as long as the things it makes easy are different; this isn’t too controversial, I think

@p @Godsend @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @SilverDeth @fluffy @thebitchisback @bonifartius @freemayonnaise @graf @takao more of an elaboration on why it happens, but yes

@p @Godsend @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @SilverDeth @thebitchisback @bonifartius @freemayonnaise @graf @takao

Sure. Then you say “Well, people shouldn’t have to run their own fedi servers!”

well, no, actually; I’ve considered the problem from that precise angle, and the most ergonomic thing I could envision would be a mobile “app” (or big-computer, for those who lean that way) that instantiated/communicated to a persistent server instance “somewhere”, tied together such that that dyad functioned as one single unit (similar to the FE/BE design of Pleroma)

(and because I am a hypocrite, it would be retardedly simple to operate, even for the most grugbrained)

that sort of setup would allow the server instance to even manage multiple identities with multiple servers, presenting the results (obtained via multiple “views” of the underlying universe) via a single interface, mitigating most of the convenience problem of Fediverse alts, for instance

however, that does run back into the same problem: the surmounting of that technical barrier becomes transferable, so that “someone without wizard powers” becomes capable of wielding them, which leads back to identical and known behavioral outcomes (“Eternal September”), with the benefit of reaching that limiting case (“everybody running their own server, albeit at one remove and with lots of implicit help”)

Revolver

that particular mashup of IPFS and BitTorrent tracks with some things I’d noodled with; good to see that somebody is doing something with it

using nodes as partial content-addressable caches is definitely a good idea, though the CSAM problem is a sticky one to solve in that context - the best idea I’ve come up with is a whitelist/blacklist thing (“never posts CSAM”/“known to have posted CSAM”), but that requires somebody to curate those lists and that is also a difficult problem to solve

paired with a “grab from nearest/any neighbor” behavior and aggressive caching, that yields a content-spread behavior akin to ant-trails, which both defangs DDoSes and makes censorship very difficult in the limit

glad that it’s being worked on! I always like to see good things happening

@p @Godsend @sicp @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @SilverDeth @thebitchisback @bonifartius @freemayonnaise @graf @takao partial Forth? I like it

sounds vaguely analogous to Postscript, almost? sort of a domain-specific stack-based language?

@p @Godsend @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @SilverDeth @thebitchisback @bonifartius @freemayonnaise @graf @takao

Keep the fucking gate or at least shut the fuck up while the men of the city do so instead of whining that there are infinite barbarians.

good sentiment, but having seen a large number of said gates fail, I am coming to the conclusion that perhaps “failure to keep the gate” isn’t the problem; the problem, insofar as I can determine, is structural instead - you can’t “gatekeep” a plain or hold the fort against a logistical tsunami

(kind of like a nuclear war, unless you’re one of the players, you don’t get to decide whether or not you’re going to be in a culture war, that decision gets made for you by somebody else and you generally get to just live with their choice)

but back to the Internet: the only thing that seems to be effective is intrinsic filtering; when there is a technical barrier to entry that is not trivially surmountable, or at any rate whose surmounting is not trivially transferable, it alters the dynamics to favor more sustainably unique things, same way that an island in the middle of the Pacific is gonna develop some strange birds and plants because it’s an evolutionary cul-de-sac, same way that ham radio still has its own “vibe”

this is why, for instance, the old Internet was of a different character; to use it required specialized knowledge and access that had not yet been commoditized

in some ways this problem is akin to the problem of constructing a long-lived nuclear-waste repository that that Sandia commission investigated; they came to the conclusion that no specific form of warning was going to offer the required guarantees, owing to the certainty of linguistic drift and social change over those timescales, so the best they could do was alter the environment in ways that made it unsuitable for use for other purposes - cement blocks, spikes jutting out of the ground, that sort of thing

I have read that Jim’s Blog article before, and while I find some of its conclusions suspect, taking it with the above, I note that the thing that maps most closely to what’s described there, and which has dynamics subtly different than any of the Twitterverse-adjacent social-media tools, is Nostr (which also at present has an “intrinsic filter” in that it is not particularly ready for prime time)

I believe Revolver takes similar ideas in a slightly different direction, does it not?

@p @Godsend @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @SilverDeth @thebitchisback @bonifartius @freemayonnaise @graf @takao

my primary point is “faggotry follows form”, so to speak, so for anything which has the same sort of dynamics as Gab (, Twitter, Facebook, ….), to include Fediverse at present (up to the limiting case of ‘everybody running their own Fedi server’, at which point things would seem to make a qualitative shift), it seems axiomatic that you can expect all the same pathologies to arise naturally and stochastically as a result of the environment, whether you like it or not; crucial corollary, there are not really “fixes” that can be bolted on after-the-fact to address those in more than palliative fashion, kind of the same way there’s no way to fix spam in SMTP - your only choice is to select a different set of system behaviors and determine what flows out of those

that’s it, that’s the summary

@p @Godsend @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @SilverDeth @thebitchisback @bonifartius @freemayonnaise @graf @takao

this bit is worth noting, though:

But people that view fedi as yet another front in their culture war,

there isn’t any real escape from the culture war, though; there hasn’t been for decades, in any venue, even (especially) technological

places that people thought would be immune to culture-war bullshit, or at least resistant enough to it to hold out for a long time, got swallowed whole, and I’ve seen it

there are the broken places where the culture war was lost, and there are those places where it has not yet been fought, and I’m not sure conditions at different levels or in different areas are changing fast enough to exempt any place from the inevitability of that battle

@p @Godsend @Mombi @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @SilverDeth @thebitchisback @bonifartius @freemayonnaise @graf @takao well I’ve very definitely turned off automatic image loading, I’ll tell you that much

@p @Godsend @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @SilverDeth @thebitchisback @bonifartius @freemayonnaise @graf @takao

I was there. I’m still there. Not Usenet, but I’m on technical mailing lists. They’re still interesting.

consider the difference in how that email list works, though, and you’ll see what I’m saying:

you subscribe to an email list, you receive reflected emails from all participants who send to it and decide what to do with them

the mailing-list moderators have exactly one option for list management: they can remove someone from the list, at which point they will no longer receive new emails, nor can they send any further emails to the list…. however, their old emails are not sucked back out of everybody’s inboxes, nor are they prevented from contacting other people directly, nor are those people prevented from directly contacting them

nothing in the design of Fediverse even approximates that dynamic, except in the absolute limiting case, where each person runs their own server

@graf @Godsend @Mombi @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @SilverDeth @p @thebitchisback @bonifartius @freemayonnaise @takao

well okay if you want to drag this out in public, I kept it private but fine

emailed me a bunch

“a bunch” = “twice” post-boot, to my recollection and the recollection of my outbox, the second being “forwarding to the correct address”

justify why I was banned

“justify”? what justification? I pissed you+your admins off, that’s about it and all the justification needed, really

misinterpreting me subpoasting other people or even at one point my irl gf

lmao, what? when the fuck did that happen? mostly I’ve been ignoring you

my thought process at the time was that I saw you getting into it with one of the mugichodes who was having a pre-ragequit meltdown (coincidentally the one that was clawing the most at my balls) and thought “huh, perhaps Graf can understand now why I was tired of hearing their constant screeching and decided to respond by vitriolically shitting on them, which was the proximate reason that my account got nuked”

so, I shot my shot (I’d prefer to keep my focus on a single account, I had a fair bit of content there, and you do run a great service), nothing happened, okay, whatever, your server, fine, I’ll take the L, pick a different one and respawn

you’ll notice I haven’t said shit about it since then or even brought it up, have I now? didn’t even see your @ on the list here (didn’t click the “+4 more” or whatever)

all this has very little to do with the social peculiarities of this particular communications protocol, or the fact that it seems that pretty much everything discussed here was discussed in the past via those different media with much higher fidelity and semantic richness; this medium favors the tactical aphorism and the amusing non-sequitur, which, for all its “punch”, lacks depth

that seems to be deeply rooted in three independent behavior dynamics: reactions (up/downvotes and rebroadcasts), janny powers, and blocking semantics, and all three of those things are qualitatively different than those previous technologies in crucial ways

unfortunately, because the behavior dynamics of Fediverse are essentially convergently-evolved to be the same as these other platforms (Twitter, Facebook, and clones, including Gab), it seems like identical pathologies are going to wind up moving, and in fact do move, smoothly between them as well…. and that is not something that’s going to be very obvious to anybody who hasn’t personally experienced the differences between these classes of platform

tl;dr is that for as much as Fedi denizens shit on “Gablins”, Twitteristas, or Facebook boomers…. everybody here essentially behaves in exactly the same ways, and that’s compelled by the design of the environment and isn’t going to change

@p @Godsend @DiamondMind @GhostOfMoshe @SilverDeth @thebitchisback @bonifartius @freemayonnaise @graf @takao I admit to some curiosity about the worldview that views “Gablins” as a plague on the Fediverse, but doesn’t see, for example, the Fediverse as a plague of monumental faggotry on the far more noble cultures of Usenet, mailing lists, and BBSes

I can assure you that the world was far better in the age of the latter, and the conversations much more interesting