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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Nov-2023 11:42:04 JST 
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@sun_eater @mischievoustomato @Arcana @EdBoatConnoisseur @mja @allison @ferrarilegends @animeirl @nemesis the transgender half (secretly antisemitic) of fedi has been invaded by the antisemitic half (secretly transgender) -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Nov-2023 11:41:39 JST
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@nemesis @kf01
> hates the deep state
> can’t do a depth first search -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Nov-2023 11:39:35 JST
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@kf01 This guy seems to think that “media hollywood government” and “porn banking 1%” are two components which aren’t connected to each other. I think he needs to get better at noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooticing -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Nov-2023 11:19:28 JST
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@nemesis @mischievoustomato @Arcana @mja @allison @sun_eater @animeirl I think it makes sense in a napoleonic view where the mind shapes the universe -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Nov-2023 11:16:40 JST
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@nemesis @mischievoustomato @Arcana @mja @allison @sun_eater @animeirl me trying to resist saying the phrase “d-separation” -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Nov-2023 11:16:38 JST
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@nemesis @mischievoustomato @Arcana @mja @allison @sun_eater @animeirl This was the point I was *actually* trying to make to those normies when I ranted about racial profiling and bayes’ theorem 😔 -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 20-Nov-2023 11:07:30 JST
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@nemesis @mischievoustomato @Arcana @mja @allison @sun_eater @animeirl I initially thought that attacking animeirl for her brainworms was a weird ad hominem twist, but, amazingly (to me), the brainworms are revealed to come from the same kind of sampling bias as what often causes antisemitism. -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2023 13:51:05 JST
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@nemesis @Arcana @MercurialBuilding @hidden My misunderstanding was a simple one, I just forgot that the "logical entropy" you're talking about was specified to be that which comes from making decisions. So yes, I agree that the key point is that the logical entropy (of the decision making) must reflect the territory - that a decision is something which responds *to the world* and that, far from taking away our free will, this is precisely what gives it to us, because it means that we decide differently in counterfactual worlds.
That phrase "logical holographic principle" piques my interest, but I will have to pick your brain some other time as I am getting sleepy... -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2023 13:29:17 JST
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@MercurialBuilding @hidden @Arcana @nemesis This thread might be getting a little heated and calling mercurial too low IQ to understand the responses is uncalled for imo. That said, I am a free will compatibilist and agree with nemesis. The key phrase is “impossible possible worlds”: the counterfactuals we’re talking about are impossible in a physically deterministic universe but are possible in a logical sense. It is valid to ask what would have happened if the same physical laws were run on different initial conditions or if the “mercurial’s brain” algorithm were run on different inputs. The behavior of systems in these “testing VMs” is my definition of “agency.”
This stance requires carefully distinguishing between matter (purely physical) and laws of matter (which are a logical construct). It relies on the belief that math governs not only this world but all possible worlds.
There’s a related interesting line of thought in philosophy which is “modal realism”: the belief that counterfactual worlds are just as “real” as the real world. I’m not familiar with the arguments though -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2023 13:29:14 JST
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@nemesis @Arcana @MercurialBuilding @hidden
To whomever is giving nemesis trouble irl: If you believe in free will, then exercise it by not doing that anymore. If you don't believe in free will, then we'll make you stop 🔪
I haven't read about UDT, but if the wikipedia screenshot is accurate then it seems like something I could get behind. Seems related to the "precommitment" I was ranting about earlier, because both deal with forced decisions in counterfactual worlds.
For this last message, I am 100% with you on the first three things. (I want to remark to @hidden that the third point, about logical entropy being produced by decision-making, is related to my take on Maxwell's Demon from a while ago, "knowledge is power.") I'm not sure I fully grok the last point because I can imagine an algorithm which merely processes information and draws inferences without making decisions, maximizing utilities, or computing optimal actions. -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2023 08:43:00 JST
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@nemesis @hidden @Hyolobrika one reason why I label it “irrationality” is that I couldn’t argue those beliefs if I had to. In choosing to believe them, I am trusting my own intuition over the facts and logic I see in front of me right now. Maybe faith is just “unjustified belief” like how knowledge is “justified belief.” Also, for me, the phrase “rational irrationality” has a connection with the game-theoretic concept of precommitting to a downstream action which you would otherwise chicken out of -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2023 08:42:59 JST
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@nemesis @hidden @Hyolobrika Maybe I ought to find a better term. I don’t like “precommitment” because it implies that the belief in question only affects the future, but it also affects life right now -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2023 07:58:24 JST
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@Hyolobrika Rational irrationality. I choose to believe that life has meaning, that people are mostly good, and that IQ is malleable -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2023 02:47:29 JST
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@allison @Arcana @Bungler @grips @hidden They know how to drink from the gutter but still eat like a king 😎 -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2023 02:38:25 JST
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@Arcana @Bungler @grips @hidden @allison -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2023 02:34:16 JST
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@allison @Bungler @grips @hidden for a supposed futurist, he sure is stuck in the ways of the past...
Hmm maybe I can found a combination maid cafe and tutoring center. Could be profitable -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2023 02:17:02 JST
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@allison @Bungler @grips @hidden math pets???? excuse me wtf? (Tell me the story if you have it offhand. It's not too late for me to buy a pair of cat ears.) -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2023 02:13:00 JST
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@Bungler @grips @hidden Classic fallacy. Just because Eliezer Yudkow cannot lose weight does not mean that he, individually, counts as "many scientists." -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 02:19:42 JST
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@Leaflord If you can’t get a rizzler, why not become the rizzler? 🥚 -
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mist (ai@cawfee.club)'s status on Friday, 17-Nov-2023 02:13:06 JST
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@Shadowman311 This comic illustrates Byung-Chul Han’s theory of society evolving from a coercive morality (the IDF kills you) to a prohibitive morality (Canadian doctor says you “should” kill yourself), and finally to a neoliberal freedom-based morality (US medical debt makes you *want* to kill yourself). cc @hidden
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