@grey this is for the best, but there's some people in my DMs that i do not have any other way to contact and who are not likely to be available on any other platform I have access to. I will just lose access to them when this happens.
>Wrong. First of all, survival and voluntary cooperation existed before the State
Not here it didn't. People either worked together as a tribe or they fucking died of exposure. Fast too. I mean survival and voluntary cooperation *is what makes a state*
> and your take is blatant Bolshevism.
I'd say it's more Menshevik but ymmv. The Mensheviks especially in the northern oblasts must have understood this. I'd be somewhat surprised if some of the northern gulags even had walls
> It is proven that older civilizations acknowledged death as inevitable
It is inevitable, but it doesn't mean death sooner than later is OK. We work to avoid death - that's what life does. We store grain at harvest to last the whole year because that's how to not have a huge % of people starve to death the following year. We plan for the future so that we can deal with the future. We talk to eachother so that we can work together to avoid things like wild wolves killing us in the dark (and wolves have no problem working together as a pack to do so). We used fire (and now use 'walls' 'cameras' and 'electric lights') to scare off and stave off animals like wolves from just up and eating us one by one. 'Nature' will kill us if we give it a chance, but we don't give it that chance.
> and it was the same Frenchoid socialists who killed their monarchs who replaced Natural Order with a man-made organization
The 'natural order' government they 'killed' was manmade.
> where a few bastards decide the fate of the masses in accordance to their own economic interests.
That's how it was before the french revolution.
>you fear life
I don't fear life. I value life.
>I see some potty training issues from a Freudian persepctive.
That's nice. I had no problems with potty training, and have memories of learning to use it. It seemed like an obvious enough thing to do at the time.
they organized themselves as a society with leadership and rules
> You can't choose when.
Often enough you can. When you get diagnosed with cancer, you can choose to follow what your oncologist says or to let your body die on its own clock. You can choose to eat or not. You might even be able to choose to starve yourself of water. You can choose to go outside and die of exposure. You can slit your wrists. You can signup for MAID or throw yourself off of a cliff. When and how you check out is one of if not the most important choice you'll ever make.
Sometimes you don't get to choose so much -- getting hit by an israeli rocket isn't something people actively choose. But people *do* have some choice in whether or not they try to get the fuck out dodge when bad things happen, though sometimes that's a hard call (die of exposure trying to get the fuck out of dodge or die of whatever is going to kill you there).
> Survival is the goal, death is purpose.
death isn't the only purpose and sure as fuck isn't mine
> Your food died for you to stay alive.
it did - otherwise *i would be the food rather than the person eating it*.
>Monarchy relies on a State too but your socialist heros rewrote History in such a way that they funneled all physical and spiritual
there's no such thing as 'spirits' i think this is why you're so confused there is no such thing as a 'spiritual' resource
>States are unnatural, death isn't.
Exactly. We avoid death through States.
> Back to topic: why should I care about people dying because of bureaucrats?
If you don't care at all that thousands of innocent children are dying from preventable causes that's a flaw on your part.
> Do you want to help those people?
Part of helping people is when people get into trouble to connecting them with people who can help them. If that's not you then carry on to another thread, you are not needed here.
> You don't need the State to donate your possessions.
'donating my possessions' isn't the only way to help people.
> Yes, with your own money. Whatever decision you make is abusive and immoral if somebody else is forced to pay for it.
The only question is that more or less immoral than letting the next 3,000 innocent children die. Maybe it is worse. But I'm not the one making that call here.
> the State is your tribe
My 'tribe' has a state and it's up to me to help manage it as a citizen
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