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   Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 02:47:32 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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   • SunMcNukes
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   >Yet another thing you can't control. Your potty training didn't go well because you cannot let go.
   
   uh this thread is about something that we can control.
   
   this is 3,000 children dying from preventable causes that were not dying before trump/musk started taking an axe to things
   
   their deaths, and the deaths of the next 3000 children are direct consequences of what people can actually choose, today.
   
   If you don't want to prevent the next 30,000 deaths, fine. If you don't want to prevent the next 3,000 children from dying, fine. This thread isn't about you or for you, then. But don't pretend it's something that can't be stopped.
   
   And i'm not going to 'let go' as long as they keep dying at this rate
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     SunMcNukes (sunmcnukes@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 02:47:33 JST SunMcNukes

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     > The only question is that more or less immoral than letting the next 3,000 innocent children die.
     
     Yet another thing you can't control. Your potty training didn't go well because you cannot let go.
     
     > My 'tribe' has a state and it's up to me to help manage it as a citizen
     
     Yes, help is optional. You finally get it.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 02:47:34 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     > Yes, with your own money. Whatever decision you make is abusive and immoral if somebody else is forced to pay for it.
     
     The only question is that more or less immoral than letting the next 3,000 innocent children die. Maybe it is worse. But I'm not the one making that call here.
     
     > the State is your tribe
     
     My 'tribe' has a state and it's up to me to help manage it as a citizen
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 02:47:35 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     • SunMcNukes
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     > Not a State.
     
     they organized themselves as a society with leadership and rules
     
     > You can't choose when.
     
     Often enough you can. When you get diagnosed with cancer, you can choose to follow what your oncologist says or to let your body die on its own clock. You can choose to eat or not. You might even be able to choose to starve yourself of water. You can choose to go outside and die of exposure. You can slit your wrists. You can signup for MAID or throw yourself off of a cliff. When and how you check out is one of if not the most important choice you'll ever make.
     
     Sometimes you don't get to choose so much -- getting hit by an israeli rocket isn't something people actively choose. But people *do* have some choice in whether or not they try to get the fuck out dodge when bad things happen, though sometimes that's a hard call (die of exposure trying to get the fuck out of dodge or die of whatever is going to kill you there).
     
     > Survival is the goal, death is purpose.
     
     death isn't the only purpose and sure as fuck isn't mine
     
     > Your food died for you to stay alive.
     
     it did - otherwise *i would be the food rather than the person eating it*.
     
     >Monarchy relies on a State too but your socialist heros rewrote History in such a way that they funneled all physical and spiritual
     
     there's no such thing as 'spirits'
     i think this is why you're so confused
     there is no such thing as a 'spiritual' resource
     
     >States are unnatural, death isn't.
     
     Exactly. We avoid death through States.
     
     > Back to topic: why should I care about people dying because of bureaucrats?
     
     If you don't care at all that thousands of innocent children are dying from preventable causes that's a flaw on your part.
     
     > Do you want to help those people?
     
     Part of helping people is when people get into trouble to connecting them with people who can help them. If that's not you then carry on to another thread, you are not needed here.
     
     > You don't need the State to donate your possessions.
     
     'donating my possessions' isn't the only way to help people.
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     SunMcNukes (sunmcnukes@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 02:47:35 JST SunMcNukes

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     > they organized themselves as a society with leadership and rules
     
     Yeah, not a State. The coup Frenchoids told you that the State is your tribe and it's not.
     
     > When you get diagnosed with cancer, you can choose to...
     
     Yes, with your own money. Whatever decision you make is abusive and immoral if somebody else is forced to pay for it.
     
     It's funny how you overthink everything. We'll be gone one day and it's okay if you can't schedule it.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 02:47:36 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     >Wrong. First of all, survival and voluntary cooperation existed before the State
     
     Not here it didn't. People either worked together as a tribe or they fucking died of exposure. Fast too. I mean survival and voluntary cooperation *is what makes a state*
     
     > and your take is blatant Bolshevism.
     
     I'd say it's more Menshevik but ymmv. The Mensheviks especially in the northern oblasts must have understood this. I'd be somewhat surprised if some of the northern gulags even had walls
     
     > It is proven that older civilizations acknowledged death as inevitable
     
     It is inevitable, but it doesn't mean death sooner than later is OK. We work to avoid death - that's what life does. We store grain at harvest to last the whole year because that's how to not have a huge % of people starve to death the following year. We plan for the future so that we can deal with the future. We talk to eachother so that we can work together to avoid things like wild wolves killing us in the dark (and wolves have no problem working together as a pack to do so). We used fire (and now use 'walls' 'cameras' and 'electric lights') to scare off and stave off animals like wolves from just up and eating us one by one. 'Nature' will kill us if we give it a chance, but we don't give it that chance.
     
     > and it was the same Frenchoid socialists who killed their monarchs who replaced Natural Order with a man-made organization
     
     The 'natural order' government they 'killed' was manmade.
     
     > where a few bastards decide the fate of the masses in accordance to their own economic interests.
     
     That's how it was before the french revolution.
     
     >you fear life
     
     I don't fear life. I value life.
     
     >I see some potty training issues from a Freudian persepctive.
     
     That's nice. I had no problems with potty training, and have memories of learning to use it. It seemed like an obvious enough thing to do at the time.
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     SunMcNukes (sunmcnukes@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 02:47:36 JST SunMcNukes

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     > Not here it didn't. People either worked together as a tribe or they fucking died of exposure.
     
     Not a State.
     
     > It is inevitable, but it doesn't mean death sooner than later is OK.
     
     You can't choose when.
     
     > 'Nature' will kill us if we give it a chance, but we don't give it that chance.
     
     Survival is the goal, death is purpose. Your food died for you to stay alive.
     
     > The 'natural order' government they 'killed' was manmade.
     
     Monarchy relies on a State too but your socialist heros rewrote History in such a way that they funneled all physical and spiritual resources to their con. States are unnatural, death isn't.
     
     > That's how it was before the french revolution.
     
     And after, except that they disconnected men from Nature and brainwashed peasants like you.
     
     Back to topic: why should I care about people dying because of bureaucrats? Do you want to help those people? You don't need the State to donate your possessions.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 02:47:37 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     That's kinda why we build a state: so that we don't have to die from nature killing us for no reason
     
     'nature' will kill you here for the mere act of 'going outside' with little hesitation. Civilization is how to survive longer than a few hours.
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     SunMcNukes (sunmcnukes@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 02:47:37 JST SunMcNukes

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     Wrong. First of all, survival and voluntary cooperation existed before the State and your take is blatant Bolshevism. It is proven that older civilizations acknowledged death as inevitable and it was the same Frenchoid socialists who killed their monarchs who replaced Natural Order with a man-made organization where a few bastards decide the fate of the masses in accordance to their own economic interests.
     You're not afraid of COVID, you fear life and the fact that you can't control the Universe. I see some potty training issues from a Freudian persepctive.
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     Estimated adult deaths
     
     33,561
     
     Estimated child deaths
     
     3,572
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     SunMcNukes (sunmcnukes@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Apr-2025 02:47:38 JST SunMcNukes

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     I don't get it... Death is natural unlike the State's kafkaesque burocracy.
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     Estimated adult deaths
     
     32,692
     
     Estimated child deaths
     
     3,480
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     about a week later
     
     Estimated adult deaths
     
     30,145
     
     Estimated child deaths
     
     3,209
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     Estimated adult deaths
     
     31,845
     
     Estimated child deaths
     
     3,389
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     https://pepfar.impactcounter.com/
     
     Estimated adult deaths
     
     26,167
     
     Incrementing every 3.3 minutes
     Estimated children deaths
     
     2,785