Notices by AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse), page 10

Examples - the Buffalo supermarket shooter is not an "ecofascist" because he said "lol environmentalism" as an excuse to do a racially motivated mass shooting. He's just a nazi. Nazis OFTEN come up with noble-sounding excuses for why they want to murder a lotta people.

So re: the earlier discussion about the value of the term "ecofascism."

I agree with most of you who've posted narrow examples of what that term should mean; my problem is that in common and currently adopted parlance it just means "nazis doing/advocating eliminationism and calling it environmentalism" - which like, I mean actual members of the 3rd Reich did that too, and we just called them fascists

Malthusianism and just plain old fascism, seem to cover it without presuming honest intentions

@aud @waitworry I've learned a long time ago to not give people 2nd chances on social media; almost invariably I end up blocking them anyway, typically within the next few posts. Yet for some reason I didn't just block that one; he could have just walked away when I replied "lol. no." But they almost never do, so the greater fool was again, me.

@AnarchoNinaWrites @waitworry

Fire is such a generic word

If you really want to get the message across in a theater, yell:

"combustible materials inside this room have achieved burning temperatures!!"

@AnthonyJK @Alephwyr The definitions discussed here, broadly speaking, are more or less how it appears to be being used in mainstream discourse:

https://today.uconn.edu/2022/09/a-darker-shade-of-green/

And well, quite frankly there were people in the Nazi Party who made similar arguments, particularly about finite resources and the need to eliminate the underserving to preserve them. I don't think anyone would say "Hitler's inner circle was ecofascist" so I'm not sure the term, as it's being used broadly, has much value.

@AnthonyJK @Alephwyr I DID kinda agree with the one person who said it accurately described a couple of very narrow fascist cults and their leaders. But again, MOST people, even in the mainstream, are just using it to mean fascists who put a veneer of environmentalism on as justification for doing fascism and eliminationism.

@AnthonyJK @Alephwyr (which to be clear, I'm not saying DON'T use it, I'm not the boss of you. I'm just questioning how valuable it really is - most of the people I see described as ecofascists can just as accurately be described as "fascists" or "Malthusians."

But again, I'm not telling people how to speak - I'm just questioning how valuable the term really is, given that most ppl seem to think it means fascists what like camping and those who done have wildly variable definitions.)

@AnthonyJK @Alephwyr I mean I'm literally writing about a guy, out here, this afternoon, using the term to describe RFK.

All the more reason why I'm not sure how much value the term has in our discourse.

Personally, I think mainstream capitalist policy is pretty "ecofascist." Another person in my replies thinks it's narrowly certain fascist cults. Alephwyr thinks it's about entrism. You're saying it's used by wingers to smear the left.

Sounds like a muddy term.

@pixplz hehehe, I was just kidding.

Although I really do hate when people keep tagging me in the replies of a dude I just blocked so they can dunk on said dude; it's one thing if they don't know, but often times I am right there in the thread saying "here's your block."

@SarraceniaWilds yeah; that read to me as "don't hold me responsible for my terrible opinions" but YMMV.

@pixplz Depends, do you specifically leave ME tagged in your reply?

*grin*

@Alephwyr I'm factually certain it is impossible to be "broadly leftist" while arguing for genocides and eliminationism. Malthusianism is not a left wing ideology.

@Alephwyr Except that's literally not how anyone uses it; case in point, the person who brought this term up in reference to RFK; is he "broadly leftist?" Media called the Buffalo supermarket shooter "ecofascist" - was he "broadly leftist?"

All genocidal fascists hide their intentions behind (what they consider) "noble purposes." And plenty of fascists claim to have "broadly leftist" positions; except you know, they're just fascists.

@inquiline yep. Enough so that at least one person reading it straight up assumed malfeasant fuckery by a crypto-fascist.

I... am less convinced. I've met a pretty broad swathe of "Men on the InternetTM" who are wholly convinced that the thing I'm most missing in my life is their instruction and advice.

@Raccoon I never promised you'd like me, or even agree with me; but I did promise I wouldn't lie to you/people reading my work.

@julieofthespirits @salad_bar_breath lol, among others. Kropotkin and Proudhon are also masters of the sentence that really should be three sentences and a footnote.

@inquiline yeah, it was pretty remarkable. But don't tell buddy, he's currently convinced he's the only person who has ever read 1984 and the essay on Newspeak; which he clearly didn't understand.

@salad_bar_breath I read a lot of old books by socialists who can't construct a proper sentence in their original language, let alone translated to English. I am well versed in cascading parenthesis abuse lol.

Also, if it doesn't look like a math problem, is it really even a sentence? :)

Huge shocker, the lady with "anarcho-syndicalist" in her bio, whose spent 35+ years abusing her library card, doesn't want your advice on word selection and isn't keen on being told how to speak or what to do.

I know you're absolutely floored by this revelation.

@salad_bar_breath Naw it's all good; I agree very much with your assessment of what was going on there.