Notices by Bl4ckst4r (bl4ckst4r@kolektiva.social)

@jeffowski Really? The Holocaust, the systematic and industrial extermination over years, over a whole continent and beyond, is not comparable to a military (ground-)offensive in one of the most densly populated urban areas of the world, which would bring devastation and suffering and death to the civilian population living in thst area, even if the opposing combatants would not use civliian suffering as propaganda for their cause and shields to cover behind. The CIVIC (Center for Civilians In Combat https://civiliansinconflict.org/our-work/conflict-trends/urban-warfare/) estimates that in a war in an urban area 90% of the victims are civilians, that number of deaths in Gaza are lower, but obvisouly still horrific.

And knowing this, this offensive should have never started and is based of the hybris of conservative politicians believing in military solutions to political problems (like the neocons of the US in their war on terror). But it is no comparison to the Holocaust, that is simply downplaying the horror of that history and hence antisemitic.

And to specify. What is happening at the moment is the looming food and water crisis of the palestinians in Gaza (especially in the north of Gaza), the offcial israelian version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTDkQGc1vu4) is at the moment, that they deliver enough food into gaza through the border, but there is not enough infrastructure inside of gaza to deliver it effectivly to everyone, plus they want to deliver supplies over the sea by ship. But the people are desperate and the IDF might not had plans how to effectivly take care of the people they drove out from the northern parts of gaza as this article from Haaretz hints to: https://archive.is/ZqSmd (use Tor-Browser if the link does not work). The assesment of this article https://archive.is/VtvTx as well as this report from Channel4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gptXnDMjTDE surely show this horrific situation, but is not comparable to the Holocaust. Since there is no evidence of intend of starving the palestinians of gaza. Even if that would be the case, than the situation structurely different. There has been cases in the past were the intentional denial of food has lead to mass dying, as the holodomor for example (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor), but that wouldnt work as an antisemtic rewrite of history wouldnt it?

@jeffowski I see the suffering and it should be stopped immediatly, which is possible to demand without downplaying the horrors of the past

@jeffowski what a pile of antisemitic garbage, its not a genocide nor a holocoust, what a completly history denying nonsense. The situation in gaza is horrible, a war and a groundoffensive that was framed as the only way of defending israel, which I strongly oppose, but it is not a genocide and this relativation of the holocoust is pure horror. Educate yourself on history and stop throwing jews under the bus by the intend to help the palestinians... this bullshit is helping no one

@aral yes please don't call it "genocide".

Gaza has become the hell on earth, every call for a ceasefire is completly sound, and still it isn't a genocide, there has been genocidal remarks from within the current goverment of Israel, but is an extreme and condemned positions inside of the israelian society. Genocide "can" be defined by numbers like you hinted at at your extrapolition of potential victims, but these victims aren't by intend. Who his clear in it's genocidal intend are Hamas and the iranian Regime and its telling that almost no one on the left is attributing this term towards them... in a post Holocoust world we need to be careful about these terms, even or especially in the realm of superfast socialmedia discourse, simply to much is at stacke.

(and please don't attribute the term "apartheid" towards Israel as well, leave it for the southafricans (background here: https://africansforpeace.com/reclaiming-word-apartheid/). To describe the ongoing tragedy of the palestinian people we can use better terms and we can find them, even when there are less flashy.)

We might agree that violence and therefore war needs it's flashiness of terms, while peace can only be laid in nuance.