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    Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 20:53:30 JST Aral Balkan Aral Balkan

    So let’s do some math:

    Israel’s military estimates that out of the 13,000 or so Palestinians it has killed in seven weeks, 1,000-2,000 of them are Hamas fighters.

    They estimate about 30,000 Hamas fighters in total and their stated goal is to wipe out Hamas entirely.

    Given the current ratio of deaths, how many Palestinians will they have to kill to wipe out Hamas?

    Answer: 195,000 - 390,000

    (But don’t call it a genocide.)

    Figures: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/26/idf-messaging-suggests-gaza-truce-unlikely-to-last-much-beyond-tuesday

    #israel #palestine #gaza #genocide

    In conversation Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 20:53:30 JST from mastodon.ar.al permalink

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      IDF messaging suggests Gaza truce unlikely to last much beyond Tuesday
      from https://www.theguardian.com/profile/dan-sabbagh
      Many expect pause to be extended if more hostages are released, but experts predict military campaign could run into next year
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      Bl4ckst4r (bl4ckst4r@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 00:26:19 JST Bl4ckst4r Bl4ckst4r
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      @aral yes please don't call it "genocide".

      Gaza has become the hell on earth, every call for a ceasefire is completly sound, and still it isn't a genocide, there has been genocidal remarks from within the current goverment of Israel, but is an extreme and condemned positions inside of the israelian society. Genocide "can" be defined by numbers like you hinted at at your extrapolition of potential victims, but these victims aren't by intend. Who his clear in it's genocidal intend are Hamas and the iranian Regime and its telling that almost no one on the left is attributing this term towards them... in a post Holocoust world we need to be careful about these terms, even or especially in the realm of superfast socialmedia discourse, simply to much is at stacke.

      (and please don't attribute the term "apartheid" towards Israel as well, leave it for the southafricans (background here: https://africansforpeace.com/reclaiming-word-apartheid/). To describe the ongoing tragedy of the palestinian people we can use better terms and we can find them, even when there are less flashy.)

      We might agree that violence and therefore war needs it's flashiness of terms, while peace can only be laid in nuance.

      In conversation Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 00:26:19 JST permalink

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        Reclaiming the word "apartheid" - Africans For Peace
        from @Africans4peace
        For nearly a century, “apartheid,” an Afrikaans word meaning “separateness,” defined South Africa by instituting racial segregation as the foundation of our political system. For our parents and grandparents, the apartheid years were the source of deep personal trauma. Their generations were compelled to live under that viciously discriminatory system. Those of us who have […]
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      Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 00:27:00 JST Aral Balkan Aral Balkan
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      • RodneyPetersonTalentAgency

      @RodneyPetersonTalent That is my fear also.

      In conversation Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 00:27:00 JST permalink
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      RodneyPetersonTalentAgency (rodneypetersontalent@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 00:27:01 JST RodneyPetersonTalentAgency RodneyPetersonTalentAgency
      in reply to

      @aral

      The death toll eventually will be well over half a million. Counting all the health issues from breathing in all that crap, the broken bones, the starvation, exposure to the elements.

      They were already living in forced squalor with a population density equal to New York City and a 50% unemployment rate with no way out.

      If you think they were pissed off before, the survivors are really pissed off now. With good reason. And millions of their Arab brethren are going to feel the same.

      In conversation Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 00:27:01 JST permalink
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      Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 00:27:02 JST Aral Balkan Aral Balkan
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      • Bl4ckst4r

      @Bl4ckst4r Raz Segal begs to differ:

      https://www.democracynow.org/2023/10/16/raz_segal_textbook_case_of_genocide

      In conversation Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 00:27:02 JST permalink
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      raetherepublik (raetherepublik@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 07:19:50 JST raetherepublik raetherepublik
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      @aral Wow, you should work for the CIA. You're intelligence is amasing!! God work!

      In conversation Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 07:19:50 JST permalink
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      Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 07:19:50 JST Aral Balkan Aral Balkan
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      • raetherepublik

      @raetherepublik Wow, you should get bent.

      In conversation Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 07:19:50 JST permalink
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      Properganda (properganda@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 16:38:49 JST Properganda Properganda
      in reply to

      @aral Better to first do some critical thinking…
      —consider the source & how credible it is.
      —look up the definition of #genocide
      —research/fact check before regurgitating dis/misinformation.

      In conversation Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 16:38:49 JST permalink

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      Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 16:38:49 JST Aral Balkan Aral Balkan
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      • Properganda

      @Properganda Oh yes, I definitely trust you, random anonymous account, than The Guardian newspaper.

      Shoo! Go away now.

      In conversation Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 16:38:49 JST permalink

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