@polarisera@MandyJane@Cousin_Isobel@AnungIkwe Ok, I think I understand. You're saying that abstractions can never provide a reliable map of reality. And colleges simply teach popular abstractions, without much by way of useful tools to handle messy reality.
I'm interested because I recently started learning about economics. Lots of stuff I'm unfamiliar with, but it appears that abstractions are their bread and butter. Of course I'm skeptical, but it sounds like you'd go further and say the models are mostly illusory?
@polarisera@MandyJane@Cousin_Isobel@AnungIkwe Ok, I must admit I'm lost. What do you mean "a system has its own abstraction"? I'm sure you mean something obvious, but I'm struggling to think of an example.
@polarisera@MandyJane@Cousin_Isobel@AnungIkwe Hmm. You've mentioned before about pharma and statistics, it was an eye-opener. I think I understand, but can you give an example of someone who follows the better methodology you're talking about? I guess contemporary is better than historical, but either will do. And I'm not asking for a paragon of humanity.
@polarisera@MandyJane@Cousin_Isobel@AnungIkwe Which intellectuals are we talking about here? Of course there are figures like Judith "I Never Met A Word I Couldn't Salad" Butler, but I don't think the idiots running around with flags or acting tough behind balaclavas count. Even if they're college students 🤣
And the DEI consultants. Intellectual?
I'm really happy when actual smart people write stuff, even if they get stuff wrong.
@Cousin_Isobel@AnungIkwe I'm still trying to figure out when the left, the line leading to actual communism, stopped being about workers! As you say, the label doesn't matter, let's just fix the problems.
@Cousin_Isobel Gender: An Ethnomethodological Approach (1985)
"Kessler and McKenna convincingly argue that gender is not a reflection of biological reality but rather a social construct that varies across cultures."
So that predates Judith Butler's "Gender Trouble" by five years. And from what I read on Wikipedia, Kessler and McKenna are already leveraging DSD to make their arguments.
Notes from the rabbit hole: * Left Hand Of Darkness (1969) * Dialectic of Sex (1970)
Are we just recycling history? When is grunge coming back?
@Cousin_Isobel The other tool is Google Ngram, but I don't really know what I'm doing 😁
I'm aware of language wizards using these to demonstrate actual changes in language, and slicing up results to show geographical trends and so on. I imagine there's a way to distinguish biological sex, sexual intercourse, gender role, gender-as-a-euphemism-for-sex, gender identity, but I don't know how.
@Cousin_Isobel I get lots of transgendery books in this search result. If I narrow it to newspapers it seems to be used as a synonym for biological sex.
"There may not be that many female welders or that many male secretaries, but it is not uncommon for men and women to train in fields that society typically considers nontraditional for persons of their gender." Cherokee County Herald, 22 Feb 1995
There's another Google thing called "wordgram" (I think) that might have useful results. I will try to dig around later.
@ninapaley These are some bold claims. If it's possible to discuss and/or invite a guest on Heterodorx, it would be much appreciated.
> [Sex Matters] is now as useful to women and kids as a chocolate teapot. It is just another captured vehicle of sex denialist ideology.
I expect that some feminists, who are not crypto-conservative, would never accept an adult freely choosing trans-surgery, nor an AGP walking around in high heels using "he" pronouns and male toilets. (Whatever my feelings, I believe the state should neither promote nor regulate these choices. Similarly, I must sadly accept the position of female separatists.)
But the claims here include sex denial, which I find hard to believe. Perhaps it's a slippery slope argument?