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   AnungIkwe (anungikwe@spinster.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 16:03:25 JST AnungIkwe
   Living in the New World with an old soul
   
   Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz
   https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1691994048922550626
   
   "It says so much about the pathetic, worthless nature of the online western left that this question is being mocked, memed and dismissed instead of taken seriously and deeply considered. It is actually a question that requires an answer, and no, the left does not have one."
   
   "Patrick Ruffini @PatrickRuffini
   What’s the left’s answer to this?"
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     Calvin Gaines (hyoomin@spinster.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Aug-2023 16:03:25 JST Calvin Gaines

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     @AnungIkwe I would love to know what the memes are, because the leftist answers are:
     
     Trade unions
     Universal health care
     Progressive income tax
     
     That's the easy part!
     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 repeated this.
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     @hyoomin This is the only good one.
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     Calvin Gaines (hyoomin@spinster.xyz)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:31:42 JST Calvin Gaines

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     @Cousin_Isobel @AnungIkwe I'm still trying to figure out when the left, the line leading to actual communism, stopped being about workers! As you say, the label doesn't matter, let's just fix the problems.
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     Cousin_Martha_Corey (cousin_isobel@spinster.xyz)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:31:43 JST Cousin_Martha_Corey

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     @AnungIkwe I find the song fascinating. On the one hand, I’m not sure Oliver Anthony has a solution in mind, himself, or if he’s just venting. On the other hand, it hints at a different kind of “left” that focuses more on workers and less on welfare. I think it could actually be a good idea. With more money coming in through jobs (even if the higher wages had to be forced by living wage laws) there is less opportunity for the government to tie strings to hand outs.

     I do support food stamps (which Anthony mocks), though, and entirely worker-based solutions may be bad for single Moms. That’s one of my biggest issues with conservatives. They celebrate Moms who refuse welfare and work long hours, but who is taking care of the kids?

     I don’t think a solution to the problems Oliver Anthony raises is going to come from the stale, progressive Left. I think it needs fresh eyes. If populists who consider themselves conservative want to start taking on the issue of wages, hours, conditions, etc., for workers, then I hope they’ll do it. I’d love to hear their ideas. If they end up doing a better version of “left” and calling it “right,” I’m fine with that.

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     @MandyJane @hyoomin @Cousin_Isobel @AnungIkwe Pretty much their defining characteristic, but only until a strong leader takes over and makes them lick boot. They find that enjoyable to.
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     @polarisera @MandyJane @Cousin_Isobel @AnungIkwe Which intellectuals are we talking about here? Of course there are figures like Judith "I Never Met A Word I Couldn't Salad" Butler, but I don't think the idiots running around with flags or acting tough behind balaclavas count. Even if they're college students 🤣
     
     And the DEI consultants. Intellectual?
     
     I'm really happy when actual smart people write stuff, even if they get stuff wrong.
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     @hyoomin @Cousin_Isobel @AnungIkwe The workers (esp the skilled and unionized) hate the worthless, cowardly intellectual for one thing. There is never going to be any common ground. The intellectual is the chafe of civilization, not the head. Confused, the intellectual refuses to learn the math and engineering that runs civilization, instead moralizes and masturbates himself into fits nothingness, and then begins trying to tear down and hide the actual technological history of the world, insisting that a bunch of cowardly, obedient intellectuals thought the world into existence.
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     MandyJane (mandyjane@spinster.xyz)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 00:38:26 JST MandyJane

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     @polarisera @hyoomin @Cousin_Isobel @AnungIkwe The intellectuals think changing words and speaking out are all that is required to save the poor dumb workers.
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     @polarisera @MandyJane @Cousin_Isobel @AnungIkwe Hmm. You've mentioned before about pharma and statistics, it was an eye-opener. I think I understand, but can you give an example of someone who follows the better methodology you're talking about? I guess contemporary is better than historical, but either will do. And I'm not asking for a paragon of humanity.
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     @hyoomin @MandyJane @Cousin_Isobel @AnungIkwe The better methodology is no one understands system, by design. A system has its own internal model of itself and reality. This makes truly modelling a system impossible, you can hope to bound it, and contain it, but something can always, always go wrong. Scientists are too fucking stupid to understand systems, as they are trapped in their own system. You can probe systems, perturb system, take them apart -- and it can be meaningless -- it can change its metastable state. I've done industrial accident studies, under strictly controlled situations, things still go sideways, because systems are nothing like what our stupid-ass platonic universities think.
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     @hyoomin @MandyJane @Cousin_Isobel @AnungIkwe All intellectuals of the Western Monkish/Platonic bent (99.9%), that think the Universe is full of Magical Forms from which the corrupt world is but a shade of, this includes anyone who think you get more knowledge by destroying knowledge (ie, Pharma and Health statistic which destroy information to draw conclusions).
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     @polarisera @MandyJane @Cousin_Isobel @AnungIkwe Ok, I must admit I'm lost. What do you mean "a system has its own abstraction"? I'm sure you mean something obvious, but I'm struggling to think of an example.
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     @hyoomin @MandyJane @Cousin_Isobel @AnungIkwe A system has feedback, memory, and prediction -- a model of itself and the environment within itself, an abstraction inside itself. The computer has components, but what program it is running is something entirely else. You don't get to know the state of the abstraction the system has of itself. Scientist think only they get to do abstractions. The immune system is a system, it has memory, feedback and prediction -- a model of itself in itself. Scientist dont' get to understand it, ever.
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     @polarisera @MandyJane @Cousin_Isobel @AnungIkwe Ok, I think I understand. You're saying that abstractions can never provide a reliable map of reality. And colleges simply teach popular abstractions, without much by way of useful tools to handle messy reality.
     
     I'm interested because I recently started learning about economics. Lots of stuff I'm unfamiliar with, but it appears that abstractions are their bread and butter. Of course I'm skeptical, but it sounds like you'd go further and say the models are mostly illusory?
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     @hyoomin @MandyJane @Cousin_Isobel @AnungIkwe A system has its own abstraction, that's what the "scientists" don't get. They think they are the smart ones , the only ones who get to do abstractions. Scientist are too stupid to know how stupid they are.