@LukeAlmighty@Dicer If you only want to appeal to evolved responses, you'll come to the same conclusion I'm at. Indicators of sanity and the ability to cooperate (like following easy-to-follow societal standards) are also things we evolved to be on the lookout for and reward/punish.
@LukeAlmighty@Dicer There is no interspecies agreement because dolphins are about as dumb as toddlers so can't comprehend the rules of contracts, and most humans aren't aware of anyone having been saved by one. There's even a misconception that they're more dangerous than sharks, yet even people who believe that still aren't cool with farming them because "they're intelligent." It shows how ex-post these reasons are.
If you wanna dig up stories of pigs or cows willfully saving humans they've grown attached to, they're out there, because this kind of thing is more of a gradient than a binary.
>Sexual assaults
If you mean somebody wandering around the street naked is probably a sexual deviant, sure, but calling it wrong is just agreeing "This is wrong because we agree it's wrong." The fact that it's icky is good enough.
>somebody deemed infertile might still be fertile
The scenario has baked into it that one of both of the parties is infertile. Imagine that however you want (like complete removal of ovaries) but even after that, most would still say that doesn't make it fine for a father to screw his daughter or something. People still oppose it, and invent new reasons as needed.
@LukeAlmighty@Dicer Being social or capable of showing kindness to humans isn't unique to animals we don't eat. There's even the common misconception dolphins harm more people than sharks--yet the people who believe that still generally oppose ranching and eating them.
The nudity example is good because people will try and come up with reasons after the fact, like hygiene or something, yet still oppose it even after that is removed from the equation.
Like with incest people point to higher risk of birth defects, but when it's changed to remove that chance, they get stuck. "Is father-daughter incest still wrong if one of them has become infertile?" People stumble over themselves to rationalize into some kind of logical consistency instead of just conceding the fact: things can be wrong without needing an explanation.
@Dicer These kinds of things all feel like rationalizations though. Dolphins are useless to us but we still find it unconscionable to eat them. I've seen people cite dolphin intelligence, yet pigs are smarter than dogs, so brains can't be the deciding factor either.
Then people have to form these multi-dimensional analyses to try and form a consistent model of right from wrong, when really that has everything backwards. We make decisions on what's moral without running any complex computations, or waiting for the results of tests and studies. Somehow we just know.
Plato formed this model of human behavior where "reason" is like a driver and "emotion" is a horse being told where to go, but Jonathan Haidt is probably more correct saying it's the opposite. Emotion is the driver, and it tells reason where to go. We point logic in the direction our gut instinct wants to end up, and it finds a way to get us there.
We already determined by instinct that incest is wrong, then after the fact we go jumping through hoops to try and logically deduce why it must be wrong. It's a dumb little game of pretend we play that switches the driver with the horse. It's unnecessary.
@Dicer I only use the dolphin example because people generally feel it's "wrong" to eat them, but when pressed can't give a reason besides them being kind of smart--which isn't exactly consistent because we eat other smarter animals.
People do eat dogs, but the fact it usually requires something like famines or extreme poverty points to a priority. When we have the freedom to, they're among the first things we spare. No well-adjusted person will gut their chihuahua because they just didn't feel like eating out that night.
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BlankIt's pretty weird we pretend consistency is some virtue. >everybody would save a loved one over a stranger >we're fine eating pigs, but not dogs >you can be naked in a shower, but not on a bus It's actually extremely useful that we can make special exceptions for behaviors without having to justify why.
@bybonsonofphola@PinochetsCommieCopter They'll use the gyroscopes built into phones (for camera stabilization and GPS direction) to find the correct angles for mortars. It's easy to assume they have an Africa-tier INT stat since they live in clay retard houses, but they can employ creativity.
@LukeAlmighty@ChristiJunior In hentai it's the easiest fetish to ignore since it's entirely non-visual. When it's mentioned in a passing line you can just skip that text and pretend they're classmates or something.
@Curvin I'm sitting on 900 hours in MH4 because something about that gameplay loop is addictive. Makes me want to craft everything to always have a weapon/element/armor combo no matter what monster I'm up against.
Jack of all trades when it comes to weapon types, but favorite is the charge blade. Will need to pull up my guild card's chart sometime.
Skylar can joke about enjoying chores, but we aren't sweeppilled broommaxers who just feel bad when Roombas take a task away. We aren't really frustrated microwaves replaced wood stoves.
The lamentable thing here is as we improved tech, we didn't replace productive tasks with other productive ones. We instead replaced them with bogus activities that literally don't produce value at all.
It may seem wild that we're paying people to do things that hinder society rather than improve it, but look around and there's no shortage of such fake jobs.
@skylar@WoodshopHandman@Dicer I don't think anyone's encouraging "working for money" for its own sake, but encouraging activities that provide fulfilment.
Lots of modern jobs are make-work that only exist because of one another. Coke only advertises because Pepsi does, and both move in a multimillion dollar arms race that leaves them back where they started had neither done anything.
Office work is considered so soul-sucking because people kind of know they're stuck in such red queen scenarios, not making any real change or actually producing anything, yet doing so in a stressful environment where they're required to act as though it matters.
Video games give a nice illusion of productivity, because they have the good parts of work without the bad. Minecraft was a good example. Even non-autists went to the trouble of tending fields and making big safe greenhouses and such. Why? Because you don't have anyone who'll get pissed at you for not doing some pointless thing how they want, or for missing a quota by three units, or being five seconds late to a do-nothing meeting, or for not following a regulation you know doesn't matter. People are aware of what genuinely fulfilling work free from petty obligations feels like, and they crave it so much they even spend their limited leisure playing make-believe that they're doing it.
@WoodshopHandman@Dicer "Advancements" don't even get us leisure. Thanks to electronic tools I'm at least twenty times as productive as someone who had my job a couple decades ago.
Does it mean I only work one twentieth of the time he did? No, we're all just expected to work the same hours and do twenty times as much.
@Arkana@wgiwf@wan I think most of an attraction to armpits is the smell, but there's definitely a difference between a natural body scent (which can be amazing) and one that's just a result of being unwashed for a week (gag-inducing).
@RustyCrab There's this shitty youtube artist who keeps parroting that A.I.'s death is just around the corner. Poke fun at the idea in any way and he'll just delete it.
"People are only using it for a quick dopamine hit. It'll wear off. Nobody's replacing us" says increasingly-nervous nerd whose tablet has suddenly become a very expensive doorstop.
@DrBHunter@Jim@William_The_Dragonborn Destiny has terminal hot-take-itis where he has to say retarded shit sometimes to boost engagement (e.g. arguing in favor of incest) but even he knows which way the wind is blowing on this one.