@deprecated_ii @Tony @WoodshopHandman @rher @veff True on garbage studs being NBD. My issue has been the general decline in quality over the past ten years. Lumber yards are still good, but orange, blue, and green are choking them. I tried to get the highest end poplar or maple I could buy for some cubby facings (needed to paint it huhWhite and wanted hardwood), and all of the boards were junk at two different stores. I looked every week for a month to buy a 4x6 of pressure treated that isn't horribly cracked for a deck project. It's always like this now.