@lispi314 @adiz @pup
> How does that have anything to do with making technology into malware that abuses the user?

its fundamentally an issue of virtue ethics vs consequential ethics.

the virtue ethicist says that imposing decisions on the server admin is unvirtuous, so even if the intent is well intentioned the action is impermissible.

the consequential ethicist is not concerned. nazis bad, so anything that imposes that belief on others is good. killing an unlimited number of orphans is good if it results in one nazi dying.

my main issue with that crowd is they don't even have the presence of character to acknowledge they are naked consequentialists. if you read the tickets, the dev actively sidesteps and denies that they are making decisions for people at all and has an unlimited supply of copes that "we're not doing anything, we're just hurting nazis" as though the means they are intending to do so psychologically don't exist at all.

the everything is political crowd tends to oxidize people that want to just make tools (because the tool isn't being designed specifically to *their* own ends.) they also tend to be completely blind and unwilling to acknowledge what they are.

since one of my deepist maxisms is to always know what you are, this doesn't work well for me :cat_sad: