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   bastard pup from hell :ms_pup_flag: :therian: (pup@yeen.town)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:01:08 JST bastard pup from hell :ms_pup_flag: :therian:

   PSA: Uninstall Funkwhale NOW.
   
   Funkwhale has gone off the deep end and is now trying to add a hardcoded music blocklist which will apply to songs in your personal music library - not just instances that host far-right podcasts, or the like. Because nothing is more anti-fascist than... not allowing people to listen to their own music on their own computers??? (What in the performative dictatorial nonsense?!)
   
   This is an incredibly dangerous idea - not only is it a centralised blocklist that applies to your personal media collection and cannot be opted out of, it's also AUTO-GENERATED FROM FUCKING WIKIDATA(!) (The dev insists that outsourcing to Wikidata makes it decentralised and immune to problems, btw...)
   
   https://dev.funkwhale.audio/funkwhale/funkwhale/-/issues/2396
   https://dev.funkwhale.audio/funkwhale/funkwhale/-/issues/2395

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:00:54 JST iced depresso

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     @pup sic semper tyranis
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:06:27 JST iced depresso

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     @pup virtue ethics have been dead for decades. most people will passively ignore this and if you do bring it up they will just cope out "oh well it didn't affect ME yet so its fine"
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     bastard pup from hell :ms_pup_flag: :therian: (pup@yeen.town)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:06:28 JST bastard pup from hell :ms_pup_flag: :therian:

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat yeah. i don't see this decision doing anything other than completely killing trust in the project lmao

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:33:20 JST iced depresso

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     @pup mastodon admins typically approve of federated blacklists
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     bastard pup from hell :ms_pup_flag: :therian: (pup@yeen.town)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:33:21 JST bastard pup from hell :ms_pup_flag: :therian:

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat i mean the kind of people who care enough to actually self-host a funkwhale instance instead of just using [insert music streaming disservice here] probably wouldn't take kindly to their software suddenly ripping control away from them and treating them like an enemy that needs to be distrusted and policed

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:36:10 JST iced depresso

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     @pup lemmy also does stuff like this (hardcoded word filters) :neocat_woozy:
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     bastard pup from hell :ms_pup_flag: :therian: (pup@yeen.town)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:36:12 JST bastard pup from hell :ms_pup_flag: :therian:

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat this isn't the same thing though. this is hardcoded, completely out of the server admin's control. if it was optional i wouldn't have a problem with it

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:37:07 JST iced depresso

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     @adiz @pup i mean i fundamentally agree that technology exists for the user. unfortunately the "everything is political" crowd has generally won the culture war.
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     👺防空識別區👹 (adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:37:08 JST 👺防空識別區👹

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     @pup I'm using FunkWhale to record and stream DJ sets of local artists in Shanghai. My company says they might fork FunkWhale to remove this hard-coded crap because it's such an insult and slap in the face that developers would dictate upon the users how the software ought be used---what music you ought be able to listen to or share. It's the principle of the matter. @icedquinn

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     ♡ miss olivia ♡ (voltrina@social.freedombits.org)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:42:13 JST ♡ miss olivia ♡

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     @pup self-identified anti fascists don't behave like cops challenge (impossible)
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:45:10 JST Phantasm

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     @icedquinn @pup Or the iPhone Fedi client that hardcoded blocked instances in a bloom filter.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:45:11 JST iced depresso

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     @voltrina @pup you can't define yourself in the context of something else :neocat_woozy: the subconscious doesn't understand negatives.
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 15-Mar-2025 21:45:39 JST of nothing

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     @pup the last follow-up item:
     >Use all this new knowledge to build leftist playlists yeaaaay : to wikidata genre radios ?
     the leftist only thinks of an actually good idea as a distant corollarly of an obviously bad idea.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 00:02:48 JST SuperDicq

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     @pup@yeen.town Wow this is a really dumb idea

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 00:05:22 JST SuperDicq

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     @pup@yeen.town I do want to add that this is one person trying to push this, it will most likely not be merged into upstream.
     
     There is currently no reason to avoid using Funkwhale.
     
     Even this got merged, you can still use Funkwhale, but people would just have to maintain an anti-censorship fork.

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     :umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 09:36:40 JST :umu: :umu:

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     @pup great, I just almost installed Funkwhale from it's dev branch mainly because they also lost release builds due to stupid idea of distributing them from gitlab ci artifacts
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:01:48 JST iced depresso

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     • LisPi
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     @lispi314 you define yourself and your plans by the goals and actions you intend to take.
     
     being "anti-poor" is nonsense. how are you going to stop being poor? starting a farmer co-op? then that's what you set as your direction, you're a farmers union. etc.
     
     @voltrina @pup
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:01:49 JST LisPi

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     • ♡ miss olivia ♡
     @icedquinn @pup @voltrina And yet identity is in significant part socially-constructed. Which is it?
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:09:27 JST iced depresso

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     @lispi314 @adiz @pup
     > How does that have anything to do with making technology into malware that abuses the user?
     
     its fundamentally an issue of virtue ethics vs consequential ethics.
     
     the virtue ethicist says that imposing decisions on the server admin is unvirtuous, so even if the intent is well intentioned the action is impermissible.
     
     the consequential ethicist is not concerned. nazis bad, so anything that imposes that belief on others is good. killing an unlimited number of orphans is good if it results in one nazi dying.
     
     my main issue with that crowd is they don't even have the presence of character to acknowledge they are naked consequentialists. if you read the tickets, the dev actively sidesteps and denies that they are making decisions for people at all and has an unlimited supply of copes that "we're not doing anything, we're just hurting nazis" as though the means they are intending to do so psychologically don't exist at all.
     
     the everything is political crowd tends to oxidize people that want to just make tools (because the tool isn't being designed specifically to *their* own ends.) they also tend to be completely blind and unwilling to acknowledge what they are.
     
     since one of my deepist maxisms is to always know what you are, this doesn't work well for me :cat_sad:
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:09:28 JST LisPi

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     @icedquinn @pup @adiz Everything existing in society is in some amount political (the extent is very often insignificant).
     
     How does that have anything to do with making technology into malware that abuses the user?
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:49:18 JST iced depresso

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     @lispi314 @adiz @pup
     
     > Untold evil in the pursuit of a good is /by virtue of its consequences/ evil (regardless of the original intent, the consequences are the point), particularly when the net outcome is vastly increased amounts of suffering rather than any amount one might consider "equivalent or lesser".
     
     consequentialist and utilitarians do not have virtues. they have a calculus of world state and whether one world state is better than another.
     
     in increasing degrees of brainrot extremism, they do not consider "people i don't like" to be "people," so that calculus assigns suffering to negligible. it is only evil if the world state score decreases and i can just classify people i don't like as furniture.
     
     which, is what historical communist extremists have done (lenin, stalin.)
     
     > Only the impractical fools.
     well, that's who runs things now (cf. nixos, python, opensuse, opendesktop, fedora)
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:49:20 JST LisPi

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     @icedquinn @pup @adiz That's a rather wild misrepresentation of consequential ethics or alternatively you've interacted solely with ones that call themselves such but are completely incoherent in truth.
     
     Untold evil in the pursuit of a good is /by virtue of its consequences/ evil (regardless of the original intent, the consequences are the point), particularly when the net outcome is vastly increased amounts of suffering rather than any amount one might consider "equivalent or lesser".
     
     The dev is clearly a hypocrite refusing the accept the true extent and impact of their actions for whatever reason, yes.
     
     > the everything is political crowd tends to oxidize people that want to just make tools (because the tool isn't being designed specifically to *their* own ends.) they also tend to be completely blind and unwilling to acknowledge what they are.
     
     Only the impractical fools. For the very same reason I consider dual-use technologies regulation idiotic. *Everything* is weaponizable with enough imagination & stubbornness. Everything is dual-use. It is *meaningless* (and impossible) to make tools that cannot be weaponized.
     
     One can most certainly favor a design that reduces harm and makes harmless uses the easiest path, but anything else is nonsense.
     
     A tool also has as many uses as one might manage to find for it, for the same reasons, and if an author creates a tool for their own purposes but which do not suit others? Then that's fine, that is part of why Free/Libre Software (and Libre Hardware) exist, the user can adapt, modify and share the tools as they see fit.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:50:52 JST iced depresso

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     @lispi314 @adiz @pup i don't like consequentialism. it is just the dominant ethics set of the times.
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:50:53 JST LisPi

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     @icedquinn You might also observe that this means that consequentialist ethics *cannot* provide direction on their own.
     
     The axioms used to determine direction must come from something else. It is not a standalone system of ethics.
     
     So in effect consequentialism is useful mostly for rule of thumb judgements and little more.
     
     @pup @adiz
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:53:56 JST iced depresso

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     @lispi314 @adiz @pup deontologists are okay but it really depends on what the set duty is. they can end up being terrible people since they are only concerned about maintaining the duty (the consequentialist could decide that disobeying the duty is optimal, assuming their moral calculus is reasonable)
     
     virtue ethics is just dead, overall. nobody does that.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 10:55:21 JST iced depresso

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     @adiz @lispi314 @pup though to a lesser extent its irrelvant because these extremists deny that they are even doing actions. an ethical framework requires acknowledging that you are doing it, and then defining if its good or bad to do that.
     
     it cannot really be said they are actively being either of the two because they deny that they even doing what they are doing. which makes it the worst. shrug.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:00:27 JST iced depresso

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     @lispi314 @adiz @pup thats the insidious part about it. they have rendered themselves incapable of understanding what they are doing.
     
     people try to explain it to them and they do not acknowledge that they are doing it and then proceeding to defend it. it is simply spacing through the empty void in their heads.
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:00:28 JST LisPi

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     @icedquinn @pup @adiz What I replied here (https://udongein.xyz/objects/922fbe7d-d773-4585-879d-e7631996749b) incidentally mostly works in reply to this.
     
     Largely the same applies to utilitarianism, which differs very little from consequentialism in its being inapplicable to standalone used, save that it is even more so.
     
     > in increasing degrees of brainrot extremism, they do not consider "people i don't like" to be "people," so that calculus assigns suffering to negligible. it is only evil if the world state score decreases and i can just classify people i don't like as furniture.
     
     That means that whatever other ethical/moral framework they're using to define the axioms & conditions is faulty or purposely comes to these conclusions. Assuming they've bothered to even consciously use such a framework instead of going with whatever impulse they have.
     
     > which, is what historical communist extremists have done (lenin, stalin.)
     
     Those were just fascists with a red coat of paint. Opportunists that took on the trappings of a different movement to fool others.
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     bigtony@0.5dollah.click's status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:04:23 JST bigtony

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     @pup isnt it open source? Whats preventing someone from making a version that doest do that in an afternoon? Being pro open source and pro censorship is really weird

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     :archlinux: (lewdthewides@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:04:29 JST :archlinux:

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     @pup fake anti-fascism is entrusting liberal/fascist-lite institutions with doing your bidding
     
     Real anti-fascism is going out into the streets and beating the shit out of them
     
     At least that's my take :yui_shrug:
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     Marcin Mikołajczak (mkljczk@pl.fediverse.pl)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:04:34 JST Marcin Mikołajczak

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     @icedquinn @pup not anymore, it’s either opt-in or deleted now
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     Light (light@noc.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Mar-2025 11:04:44 JST Light

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     @icedquinn @pup they stopped that

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