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> but the Voat/Poast stuff describes a mentality, not a specific origin.

Because people used to call this "FSE stuff", I bristle a little. This stuff is stuff I have always hated and I'm being told that I have a secret plan to push that stuff on the world and then Poast comes by and people are ascribing it to Poast. I've thanked graf for taking receipt of the trucks of bullshit that used to end up at my house and dumping their cargo onto my lawn, but it would be better if the trucks didn't arrive. The trucks are going to arrive anyway, but I think it's better if you don't contribute your shovel-full.

Really, if it's fair to ascribe that kind of thing to any instances, it's Nice Crew dot Digital and Pieville, as Matthew Limbaugh and Alex Linder actually do push that precise stuff. (I don't know how to take the temperature of Gab because it's a shithole that I never had an interest in using, so I have to rely on second- or third-hand accounts if I want to know anything about it beyond their brief flirtation with federating.)

> The kings didn't lose.

They did, over and over again, until we jumped here from the island and then cut the island free.

> They negotiated a reasonable compromise

They negotiated by running away at the Battle of Yorktown and then signing the Treaty of Paris, as predicted by William Pitt the Elder:

> I know that the conquest of English America is an impossibility. You cannot, I venture to say it, you CANNOT conquer America...As to conquest, therefore, my Lords, I repeat, it is impossible. You may swell every expense, and every effort, still more extravagantly; pile and accumulate every assistance you can buy or borrow; traffic and barter with every little pitiful German Prince, that sells and sends his subjects to the shambles of a foreign country; your efforts are for ever vain and impotent—doubly so from this mercenary aid on which you rely; for it irritates, to an incurable resentment, the minds of your enemies—to overrun them with the sordid sons of rapine and plunder; devoting them and their possessions to the rapacity of hireling cruelty! If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms, never! never! never!

Kings didn't fare any better in France or China or wherever else.
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