@creamqueen @cajax @anemone @mia @meso tbh this isn't much different than how some of my relatives view things but getting out and seeing how other people were raised up made me realize those behaviors and responses to children being children weren't normal. My abulea never speaks a bad word about my dead abuelo who beat her all the time, but my mom remembers.

I do believe in discipline but I think abuse is framed as the only effective method. Growing up I covered a lot for the adults in my life because of "things could be worse".