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@benroyce @bjeelka @humanhorseshoes @mattdm @n_dimension @Gorfram @Mikal

Honestly, we tried that by doing business with them. We made Putin and the oligarchs the wealthiest people on the planet. When they snatched Crimea, we started rolling out the sanctions, really as a warning because they weren't particularly strong. They didn't take the warning. They're just going to be russian no matter what the hell we do and part of that identity is that everything is theirs.