@KingOfWhiteAmerica @bobbala @konata @Omega_Variant @Owl @AngryWraith It's never about self justification. Earthly punishment matters, as do prudent actions and wisdom while in this mortal life. Salvation is available to them, but I would be foolish to let them run my society or have any earthly power if we have any say in the matter. I don't get why Bob doesn't see this.