@lispi314 @yrrsinn @cy @Suiseiseki @jpaskaruk

This is always repeated like dogma by people who defend porn, lolicon, etc. but it's simply not true.

Firstly, we don't live in an ideal world, so there simply *are* many people with a family or cultural background that makes them lack empathy. They aren't ultra rare. Second, basic human stupidity and group think run deep: There are many people who had an OK upbringing, but not good enough to make them seriously dedicated to not harming others; they just don't care because they never built up a serious dedication to being moral. This is how, for example, the Nazis got so much support. A lot of the public was merely silent out of fear, but they also had a ton of serious supporters, and not all of those supporters were psychos who had been abused at home. Some were just average dudes who didn't particularly care about being a goody two shoes, so "who cares if some stupid Jews get incinerated." (See also: The Banality of Evil)

As a consequence of this aspect of human nature and society, you have to look at media not from the perspective of a single isolated person with sound mental health and solid morals, but rather ask the question: What kind of culture or subculture might this media create, if it attracts a large number of people, many of whom lack basic empathy due to an abusive background, and even more of whom simply have loose morals for no particular reason?

I've seen the result of this directly, many years ago, on 4chan/a/. The memory is burned into my mind:

After starting to become skeptical of the typical defenses of porn, I started to occasionally check out how people were talking and behaving in the "loli threads" that people kept starting, which I'd previously ignore, thinking they're benign.

Quite soon, I came across a thread in which someone was talking about how he got a peek of his child sister as she came out of the shower. A very clear and serious danger to a real child.

How do you suppose people in the thread reacted? Immediate unanimous shock, telling him he's crossing a serious line, alerting moderators to report his IP to authorities? No, none of that. People started joking about it, saying things like "you know what to do" and "so when are the pics coming?" while just one guy timidly posts that image macro with "loli should be kept to 2D only" and simply getting ignored by others. (And when you think about it, the fact this image exists as a meme, i.e. that people have to keep trying to remind others to "keep it to 2D", tells you all you need to know.)

Once me and a few others who took notice started making a huge stink, saying loli threads should finally be banned, the mods just nuked everything without comment. Not sure they ever changed the site's or board's policy because I didn't wanna visit /a/ any more after that.

TL;DR: Media creates culture. Violent porn creates a culture of thinking violating people is fun. Lolicon hentai creates a culture of thinking pedophilia is fun. If it were up to me, I'd simply fucking ban it all. The nerds who swear by having solid morals should be smart enough to know how to use the darknet, which can't be banned anyway, but at least the high barrier of entry should prevent or dampen the formation of problem subcultures.