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   Christ is LORD (christ_is_lord@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:27:09 JST Christ is LORD

   Neo-masculinity, neo-paganism, neo-barbarism. Neo-spartanism. Neo-antiquity. The basic premise that man today is weak and needs “rewilding”. Same basic idea. But if we are to become Greeks, one should take seriously the question of, “and then one day, for no reason at all, the Greeks converted to Christianity”.

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     Coon Appreciater (mebigbrain@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:27:07 JST Coon Appreciater

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     @Christ_is_Lord The lack of commitment is the defining trait of the modern age. Everyone wants to be a rebel, nobody wants to be the one to rebuild once the rebellion has served its purpose, so society merely tears itself down with no end goal. Fighting is easy and satisfying, working to build something is what is truly needed.
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     Christ is LORD (christ_is_lord@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:27:08 JST Christ is LORD

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     Christ is LORD (christ_is_lord@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:27:08 JST Christ is LORD

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     **The Anti Hero**
     
     The anti-hero is the brooding teenage fantasy of being a “secret good guy, who does a little bad things, but for the sake of good”. Everyone thinks about this at age 12, because it’s a stepping stone in trying to come to terms with your own agency as a man in the world. Your relationship to women, you are disgusted and horrified the first time you hold one in your arms and realize that you have total power over her. Part of working that out is imagining that you are a grey jedi, who does a little bit of the dark side, but he’s actually on the good guy’s side. It’s like imagining stopping a school shooting or saving that girl you like in class. Everyone does it. But it’s not enough when you’re older than 20.
     
     Redemption demands total commitment. You can’t have it both ways. The leap of faith is total. You can’t keep a foot on solid ground “just in case“ things go wrong and it doesn't pan out. Redemption is free. Redemption will cost you everything. There is no contradiction.
     
     The reason modern mainstream media sucks is because it’s being written by people with a total lack of commitment to anything. The anti-hero is the lack of commitment crystallized to an archetype. The Hero is total commitment. Gigachad is a hero.
     
     The way this manifests in you is your lack of commitment. “I want a good trad life for YOU, but me, oh no I couldn’t possibly have one.” “I want for YOU to have a loving wife and many children, but me? Oh no I’m beyond redemption, I don’t deserve that, so I can just have a little degeneracy and have sex with floozies and put notches on my belt.” “I want for YOU to be healthy and strong, but me, oh no, I don’t deserve that, so I can just indulge in being fat and eating trash.”
     
     The anti-hero inside you is not this false humility: the anti-hero is pride
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     Arkana (arkana@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:26 JST Arkana

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     @cirnog @fluffy @Christ_is_Lord And the fact that the government does not allow you to do things that will benefit you unless you get explicit permission from it.
     
     Own some land and want to build on it? Need a permit. What you wanted to build something different? Zoning restrictions. You want to sell something? Legal permissions. You will still have to pay taxes no matter what.
     Otherwise they will go after you, and they will probably do that anyways if they feel like it.
     
     You want to leave? You need permission for that too. And you need permission for where you're going as well.
     
     In this modern world all the "freedoms" that people have are only if they're allowed to by the powers that be, which means you're hardly free to do much at all.
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     ?Cirnog? (cirnog@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:27 JST ?Cirnog?

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     @fluffy @Christ_is_Lord Well we live in a technological society where we depend on lots of different inventions and machinery, and the knowledge and skills required to understand and operate and improve all that machinery is far too large for a single person to comprehend, and it's even too large for an entire family or village or small city to comprehend. So just to stay alive I'm now dependent on the actions of millions of people who I don't know (and never will) who are doing things I don't understand (and never can), and the only thing I can do is hope there's some technological niche that gives me enough fun tokens to pay someone to solve my problems for me, problems that I only vaguely understand because someone else that I don't know told me that's how things work (insurance says i need a mechanic and the mechanic says my timing belt is fucked and now i'm fucked)
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     ?Cirnog? (cirnog@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:28 JST ?Cirnog?

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     @fluffy @Christ_is_Lord Maybe? If you only look at how many things the average person owns then yeah we're obscenely wealthy, but if you look at the amount of control and power the average person has over their own life then we're almost all chattel slaves. The concubine has a lot more paid time off than the tindr whore
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     touch fluffy tail (fluffy@social.handholding.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:28 JST touch fluffy tail

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     >if you look at the amount of control and power the average person has over their own life then we're almost all chattel slaves.
     Felt this way for a while, but never really thought about it.
     
     I'd love to see this in more detail
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     touch fluffy tail (fluffy@social.handholding.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:29 JST touch fluffy tail

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     Perhaps it is because ordinary people now live a life of comfort exceeding all but the most influential men of antiquity
     
     That is, I wonder if are comparing the ideals of the thot to those of the tavern wench, when we should instead be comparing them to those of the emperor's mistresses
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     ?Cirnog? (cirnog@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:30 JST ?Cirnog?

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     @fluffy @Christ_is_Lord In this case failure to teach and explain Christian doctrine. Everyone has heard "love thy neighbor" but how many know that entails "sternly punishing bad behavior like a father raising his kids"? Most people's understanding of Christian love (Agape) is completely wrong because instead of being taught properly it's just sort of thrown at you and you're left to fill in the blanks with whatever appeals to you.
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     touch fluffy tail (fluffy@social.handholding.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:31 JST touch fluffy tail

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     i guess i don't entirely grasp what you mean are ideals
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     touch fluffy tail (fluffy@social.handholding.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:32 JST touch fluffy tail

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     That's not what I mean.
     
     Gospel certainly does mention a great many people who were not particularly devout. What if the ordinary american is just as pious as ordinary people have ever been?
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     ?Cirnog? (cirnog@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:32 JST ?Cirnog?

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     @fluffy @Christ_is_Lord Not sure about piety but historically when generations fail to pass their ideals on and properly inculcate their kids in the how and why of their beliefs, the kids grow up to just take bits and pieces of whatever helps them deal with social pressures. What's happening now isn't new or surprising just sad and pathetic.
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     ?Cirnog? (cirnog@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:33 JST ?Cirnog?

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     @fluffy @Christ_is_Lord The problems faced by the early church were very similar to what's happening now. Christians get complacent and don't teach the next generation properly, newer generations don't understand what they weren't taught properly, some hucksters start changing doctrines to appeal to disaffected people, BOOM Arian heresy, Pelagian heresy, LGBT heresy
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     Christ is LORD (christ_is_lord@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:34 JST Christ is LORD

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     @fluffy Exactly
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     touch fluffy tail (fluffy@social.handholding.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:34 JST touch fluffy tail

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     Russel writes, at the turn of the 1900s, that this was already the situation in christendom.
     
     This phenomenon may be much more than the 100 years old I am aware of.
     
     On the bright side, it may have always been like this, and may as a matter of fact be the default state of humanity. Were that to be true, then the current situation is nothing exceptional.
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     Christ is LORD (christ_is_lord@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:36 JST Christ is LORD

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     @fluffy The conversion of the people within the Roman Empire is a combination of factors.
     
     1. Hellenism, and the further attempts at cosmopolitanism, had the same effect on people as modern globalism. People's social ties and place within society was shattered, leaving them isolated and without meaning.
     2. Paganism, or more specifically piety, was already on the decline. Numerous pagans lament that their people are simply going through the motions rather than actually believing in their gods. It became a superstition. Before they became Christians the stopped being pagan first.
     3. Christianity is true.
     4. Christians wanted it more. The zeal of Christians simply overpowered the Roman Empires ability to destroy it
     5. Christianity appealed to all the deficiencies with paganism: lack of purpose, lack of truth, lack of coherent paradigm, lack of kin group, lack of real encounters with the divine
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     touch fluffy tail (fluffy@social.handholding.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:36 JST touch fluffy tail

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     >Paganism, or more specifically piety, was already on the decline. Numerous pagans lament that their people are simply going through the motions rather than actually believing in their gods. It became a superstition. Before they became Christians the stopped being pagan first.
     
     This sounds a lot like what is happening now with christianity. God save us
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     Christ is LORD (christ_is_lord@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:37 JST Christ is LORD

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     @fluffy > rewilding
     
     Yeah, I hadn't heard the term before. I think he's referring to soft times weak men therefore make hard times hard men. Idk
     
     > Conversion
     
     I'll do a full response later today
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     touch fluffy tail (fluffy@social.handholding.io)'s status on Monday, 22-Aug-2022 18:28:38 JST touch fluffy tail

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     >The basic premise that man today is weak and needs “rewilding”.
     i don't think this correctly represents it
     >But if we are to become Greeks, one should take seriously the question of, “and then one day, for no reason at all, the Greeks converted to Christianity”.
     they were conquered by rome. the later conversion of the romans is an interesting topic i spent some time studying many years ago. i'd like to hear your thoughts on why it happened