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   wakest ⁂ (liaizon@social.wake.st)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 23:13:08 JST wakest ⁂

   thinking about the semantics of the word 'fediverse' again and wondering what other portmanteaus we might make if we start with 'federated' and 'universe' in other languages

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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 23:12:58 JST hypolite

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     @Samlane86 @liaizon In French it's "Fédivers", it's easier to say, which has a huge impact on how the language is built.
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     Sam (samlane86@mamot.fr)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 23:13:07 JST Sam

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     @liaizon well in Swedish federated universe is federerade universum. So I guess you could have a slight modification of fediverse, something like fediversum. However, since it’s pretty common to borrow from English words in Sweden, I feel like it’d be more natural to just use fediverse.
     In French, it’s univers fédéré. So maybe something like unifédé. This one I kinda of like, it looks and sounds a bit like unified.

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     Sam (samlane86@mamot.fr)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 00:22:44 JST Sam

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     @hypolite @liaizon yeah I figured it was something close to the actual word. I just wanted to play with an option that respects the adjective noun order even if it sounds a bit silly. With either fediverse, and by extension fédivers, I asked a French friend who said “it sounds like "faits divers" (minor news) in French, so in my head I don't take this word seriously”. Two others said “we’re not fans of made up words” and “portmanteau is where you hang your coat in French”. So I gave up haha

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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 00:24:06 JST hypolite

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     @Samlane86 "Unifédé" sounds like it could be the Québécois version of the same concept, but I've never seen it used. "Fédivers" might not be universally popular, but I have seen it been used in the wild, so for me there's no qualm about it.
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     Christian Pietsch 🍑 (chpietsch@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 00:25:26 JST Christian Pietsch 🍑

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     @liaizon I considered #Födiversum (from “föderiertes Universum”) for German, but it seems weird. So I use #Fediversum when I need German inflection.

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     Sam (samlane86@mamot.fr)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 00:41:13 JST Sam

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     @hypolite oh yeah, everything of mine was completely made up not based on actual use. I definitely agree that fédivers sounds better and it’s probably advantageous to have a word that is closer to the original. It would also be interesting to find out the origins of “Fediverse” and how long it took to become the widely used term. I don’t know enough about Québécois. Why do you think they’d be more accepting of a different option than French?

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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 00:43:39 JST hypolite

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     @Samlane86 Being a francophone enclave in an anglophone continent (North America), they constantly have to push back against the anglicization of their language, which led to initiatives like the "Law 101" that forces business to use French to conduct business in Québec. This has led to forced translations of brand names (like "Poulet Frit du Kentucky" for KFC) and a systematic creation of French neonyms for their English counterparts that metropolitan French people use as is.
     
     Created in a constant state of urgency, these names may sound strange to metropolitan French because they have absolutely no usage outside of Québec, Even there their use is marginal, but they have to do what they have to do to keep their language from ceding ground to American English.
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     Sam (samlane86@mamot.fr)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:25:42 JST Sam

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     @hypolite ohhh okay interesting. I’d heard about the law, but didn’t know all the ramifications of it. Thanks for the explanation!

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