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   di0nysius the patomskyite (w0rm@dsmc.space)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:08:58 JST di0nysius the patomskyite
   Shitpost so hard they cannot tell when you actually got brain disease, it's a really long-term bit.
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:11:02 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @w0rm I'm about to save some people who wouldn't give me the time of day a couple months ago
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     @graf thank you for always being a friend to us. I hope you are not meaning us as qpeople who wouldn't give me the time of day.
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:24:31 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @w0rm no, I am helping people who deserve it, you deserve my time but p seemed busy, I can call you personally while I do this work if you'd like
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:30:43 JST pistolero

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     @graf @w0rm I've pinged a person in a thing, I'll check in with the thing.
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     • pistolero
     @graf @w0rm I think we're clear, unless I misunderstood the versions you mentioned.
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:34:31 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @p @w0rm I would responsibly cover 1.13-1.14.5
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:35:38 JST pistolero

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     @graf @w0rm Yep, we're clear.
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     di0nysius the patomskyite (w0rm@dsmc.space)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:41:36 JST di0nysius the patomskyite

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     @graf I will probably be fully locked-in sooner than later. I've lost function of my arms now, @Death holds the smoke so I can take a drag. Speech was less than a week later. P and I :hackerman: so I could. This post took 15 minutes to write, and soon, even this won't work. Green paper on the door so medical team know my wishes.
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:50:52 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @p @w0rm I made responsible disclosure to all we see often or care about including lain even though it doesn't involve him. going to try to move as many as I can toorrow then I will write up the post mortem. thanks again for providing me the list of people using those specific versions
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:51:48 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @p @w0rm I am going to help people today and tomorrow I will post the post mortem the first of the poast summit days. thanks for your list
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:51:48 JST pistolero

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     @graf @w0rm :bigbosssalute: Thanks for letting me know about the thing.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:53:18 JST pistolero

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     @graf @w0rm List is likely incomplete but a more complete list would take a lot of time by comparison.
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:56:50 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @p @w0rm only know of 4 that even pay attention to take action before the post mortem
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:57:06 JST pistolero

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     @graf @w0rm This'll be fun.
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:59:14 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @p @w0rm I think I'll use spinster as the example
     
     @Flick you might wanna hop over here from now on
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 13:59:29 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @p @w0rm @Flick bring your chatty cathies too ill open regs for a bit
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:00:37 JST pistolero

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     @eriner @w0rm @graf You say that like it's a good thing somehow.
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     Matt Hamilton (eriner@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:00:38 JST Matt Hamilton

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     @p @w0rm @graf *laughs in Mastodon*

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     Leyonhjelm (leyonhjelm@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:02:01 JST Leyonhjelm

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     @p
     
     @eriner is a homo so he thinks it is
     
     @graf @w0rm
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:02:44 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @p @eriner @w0rm when he sees it and how absolutely retarded it is, i think we will all laugh
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:03:40 JST pistolero

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     @graf @eriner @w0rm It will not stop me from laughing at Mastodon, which is a literal Rails application.
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     Matt Hamilton (eriner@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:04:03 JST Matt Hamilton

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     @p @w0rm @graf I emergency patched a week or two ago. I already got my whoopin’, so I’m obligated to hoot and holler now that it’s no longer my turn to suffer.

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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:06:01 JST pistolero

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     @eriner @w0rm @graf It's still Rails. It is still a thing designed by PHP monkeys and then bloated by Javacrats. It is still two orders of magnitude slower than things written in the same language that do not use Rails.
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     di0nysius the patomskyite (w0rm@dsmc.space)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:15:45 JST di0nysius the patomskyite

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     @graf @Death @p
     
     p please explain that that talking on fedi or irc are the best ways I can talk. Phone would be me just be me listening. I can't speak understandably. I think the words but only noise comes out, if anything at all.
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:15:46 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @w0rm @Death we gotta chat at least once more brother
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:18:58 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @w0rm @Death @p I remember hearing you friend, but even hearing you through death is endearing too
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:27:34 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @eriner @p @w0rm no this is so insane you will go outside to cackle
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     Matt Hamilton (eriner@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:27:34 JST Matt Hamilton

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     @graf @w0rm @p I professionally find security bugs for large American corporations who paid sixteen Indians to make Java apps to process electronic medical records.

     I assure you there is nothing I haven’t seen before.

     The recent mastodon issues have been pretty bad. An arbitrary user email+IP info disc was recent, and before that there was a pretty gnarly SSRF.

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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:29:24 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @eriner @w0rm @p I assure you, we can talk about this on the phone. this is something for the ages
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:35:39 JST pistolero

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     @eriner @w0rm @graf
     
     > lets be real, all interpreted languages are dog shit slow.
     
     Haskell's compiled, but find a Haskell program that is faster than the equivalent awk.
     
     Not the case, no. Ruby isn't even that slow, but Rails does retarded shit like blowing out the method dispatch cache multiple times per *request*, it's all factoryfactories. I *just* said "things written in the same language that do not use Rails". I do not think you know how goddamn retarded Rails is. Ruby's a great language if you're not an idiot; unfortunately, it got popular with idiots, and I watched this happen, having used it before Rails existed. (Luckily, most of the idiots left for JS, but a handful of total dipshits have stuck around.)
     
     > bash & /dev/tcp
     
     bash is terrible and their "/dev/tcp" bullshit is terrible and netcat is not hard.
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     Matt Hamilton (eriner@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:35:40 JST Matt Hamilton

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     @p @w0rm @graf lets be real, all interpreted languages are dog shit slow.

     Death to Ruby, death to Python, death to JS, and death to Perl (except keep it installed on your machines because I use that thing for reverse shells more often than I do bash & /dev/tcp, heh)

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     @w0rm @graf @Death Text is a better means of communication usually anyway.
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     @eriner @graf @w0rm You go ahead and switch from bash to PowerShell, I guess.
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:37:41 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @eriner @p @w0rm hey, python i can turn my brain off and hammer out exactly what i want in 15 mins. I would swap for perl, but python is my go-to i dont give a shit code
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     Matt Hamilton (eriner@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:37:41 JST Matt Hamilton

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     @graf @w0rm @p I would rather use Windows than use an untyped language

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     Matt Hamilton (eriner@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:39:46 JST Matt Hamilton

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     @graf @w0rm @p to be fair, this is because I'm retarded and don't remember the code I wrote 5 minutes ago, probably a symptom of spending so many hours of code review on so many projects.

     At this rate, I'll forever be a Go zealot.

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     @eriner @graf @w0rm I like Go but the module system and the persistent Google fuckery are pushing me out. You can do CSP in any language; it's easy in Go but you can do it in C about as easily. :tonyhoare: was right, :kenbw: was right, djb was right.
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:39:52 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @eriner @w0rm @p looking to switch to Go, will make working with p much easier
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     @eriner @graf @w0rm
     
     > the only Go fedi project is run by crazies
     
     There are at least four, you've just only apparently paid attention to the glowie one. (They are not crazy, they are just glowies.) Honk is in Go. Here: https://fedilist.com/source-code
     
     > zsh
     
     :vomit:
     
     > I wasn't bothered by the lack of generics, but even that's taken care of (though I think it's a tad ugly).
     
     What they did looks a lot like how they did it in Limbo.
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     @graf @w0rm @p I've never contributed to Mastodon (or Pleroma/whatever) because the languages they use disinterest me, and the only Go fedi project is run by crazies.

     I've used Go (and zsh) almost exclusively for half a decade and I've grown into quite a happy rut.

     I wasn't bothered by the lack of generics, but even that's taken care of (though I think it's a tad ugly).

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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:43:06 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @p @w0rm @Death but I actually liked listening to his stories, I hope I can again
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     @graf @w0rm @Death Come visit.
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     @p @eriner @w0rm that's like taking SSRIs because you never wanna cum again
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     @eriner @w0rm @p after the post mortem I'll shoot you a message. pete and I will be together in person and I'll call you so we can all laugh
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     di0nysius the patomskyite (w0rm@dsmc.space)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 14:44:05 JST di0nysius the patomskyite

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     @p @eriner @graf
     
     RXK said it.
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     @graf @eriner @w0rm PowerShell is the only shell I know of that is "typed" in the sense that eriner means.
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     @w0rm @eriner @graf "That ain't my job but it sound like conspiracy"?
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     @w0rm @p @eriner I'm going to try to find something special for pete to bring back to you, not something bought. something of mine I've had so when you look at it you will remember me
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     @p @Death @w0rm you know I could drive you back
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     @graf @Death @w0rm It would keep me away a little longer than I can manage at present unless we drove really quickly.
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     @p @w0rm @graf I never said "compiled languages are always fast", I said all interpreted languages are slow.

     > bash is terrible

     I mean, I use zsh, but when you want a reverse shell you have to use what's there, and bash usually is. Sometimes for one reason or another it can't be done with bash, but most systems that have bash also have perl. IIRC most distro distributions of nginx include perl as a runtime dependency.

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     @eriner @w0rm @graf
     
     > I never said "compiled languages are always fast", I said all interpreted languages are slow.
     
     It's still wrong.
     
     > I use zsh
     
     "The only shell worse than bash, until fish got popular."
     
     > when you want a reverse shell you have to use what's there, and bash usually is
     
     They have an entire /bin/sh.
     
     > IIRC most distro distributions of nginx include perl as a runtime dependency.
     
     Half of them nowadays mandate Python. Almost any box is going to have Python.
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     @p @Death @w0rm so the hemi durango or the hellcat durango
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     @graf @Death @w0rm Looks like ~20h, we'd have to head back on Sunday afternoon and not stop, but I suspect this is earlier than you'd like to head out. I know the hailing frequency when we get close.
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     @p @Death @w0rm depends on who's sticking around til monday. red key durango goes pretty fuckin fast
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     @p @w0rm @graf > /bin/sh

     it isn't always about what's present, but various runtime restrictions that you have to test. Sometimes it works, sometimes acls and policy flag/prevent weird shell interactions that are commonly "malicious", such as /dev/tcp interaction. Though, zsh's (if present) tcp module often isn't ;)

     Unless the app is written in python and using it for runtime, my experience is that python is far more rare than bash or perl.

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     @eriner @w0rm @graf
     
     > various runtime restrictions that you have to test. Sometimes it works, sometimes acls and policy flag/prevent weird shell interactions that are commonly "malicious", such as /dev/tcp interaction
     
     It's not even a real /dev; gawk (almost certainly present) has a different, incompatible /inet/{tcp,udp}/$shit and is almost guaranteed to be present and probably overlooked if zsh is.
     
     > my experience is that python is far more rare than bash or perl.
     
     bash maybe because I don't know of anyone that *doesn't* ship bash, but Debuntu requires Python nowadays, I believe CentOS/RHEL require it.
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     @eriner @p @w0rm erm /usr/bin/sh please this is a shared environment
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Aug-2026 15:01:40 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p
     > Honk is in Go.
     
     And Honk is comfy but tedu@ and his infra seems to have fucked off offline or something like that quite some months ago.
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     @lanodan I used honk briefly; it wouldn't speak Tor and it was somewhat unreliable but was fun.
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     @p @w0rm @eriner @graf

     I believe CentOS/RHEL require it.

     dnf and yum are python frontends. firewalld is python as well. The SELinux tooling is mostly Python.

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     @p @w0rm @graf most of the stuff I see in corporate environments uses containers, and their ops teams almost always push them toward a unified slim image(s) eventually because the people staring at the AWS/GCP/Azure receipts are hounding them to save money on the k8s cluster project that just quadrupled their monthly expenditures, and they can pass the buck to the internal security dpt and have the monkey dance about "reproducible builds" and "centralized dependency management" or something.

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     > most of the stuff I see in corporate environments uses containers
     
     Ah, okay, right. Yes. Nah, you're right.
     
     > have the monkey dance about "reproducible builds" and
     
     Yeah, shit like that, all of this engineering effort that amounts to "Who can we fire?" and doesn't stop CVE-2024-3094 (the libxz hole).
     
     > "centralized dependency management"
     
     Well, this part would help with "us-east-1 is down because something retarded happened again" but then they shove it into AWS anyway.
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     @phnt @eriner @graf @w0rm This shit I do not get; Python is a pain in the ass, it's not as convenient for scripting as the shell or Perl or Ruby, and it's not stable. A shell script or a C program from the 80s will often still work now, Ruby code that I wrote for 1.6 still works in 3.x; even *JavaScript* manages backwards-compatibility. Good luck getting a Python program from last year to build cleanly without guessing which Ubuntu version that guy was running and then building in a chroot.
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     @eriner @p @w0rm Containers are for sissies. Bare metal everything. Just buy blades. More cost effective, more powerful, you're not a faggot
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     @phnt @p @w0rm @eriner Please don't make me hate Python phnt please
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     @graf @w0rm @p @eriner You are a Gentoo user already. I cannot make you hate Python more than a Portage user.
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     @graf @p @w0rm You’ve lost me, love. Is something going on that I need to know about?

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     @phnt @w0rm @p @eriner dev-lang/rust
     
     I want to kill the person responsible for this ebuild. And poettering
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     @Flick @w0rm @p MSG me
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     @p @w0rm @eriner @graf I don't know how Python can make so many breaking changes in every minor release bump, it's beyond my understanding. The reason why it is so prevalent in core systems utils now is that it was bundled with OSes by default at some point and then using Ruby for system utils became a "It's better, but you would need to download a whole new language instead of using the one in the OS already. So we'll use the worse option that comes with the OS." It's one of the reasons why I don't really use Ruby myself either; most things are either posix shell or Python.
     
     Ruby also didn't and still doesn't have a good reputation when it comes to speed, but not like Python is any better with its arrays. Python sidestepped the issue by bolting more C libraries to it.
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     @phnt @eriner @graf @w0rm
     
     > "It's better, but you would need to download a whole new language instead of using the one in the OS already. So we'll use the worse option that comes with the OS."
     
     Yeah, I can see picking Python over Perl 5; just *barely*, though.
     
     > Ruby also didn't and still doesn't have a good reputation when it comes to speed, but not like Python is any better with its arrays.
     
     Well, reputation rather than actual performance.
     
     On the other hand, 99% of the times you use any scripting language and 90% of the time you use an application- or systems-programming language, if it's CPU-bound instead of I/O-bound, you've fucked up.
     
     > Python sidestepped the issue by bolting more C libraries to it.
     
     Yeah, and "This looks better when I'm typesetting my paper" cascades into an ecosystem.
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     > I don't know how Python can make so many breaking changes in every minor release bump, it's beyond my understanding
     
     On that exact topic: there are unpatched CVEs in Python (edit: releases; they fixed in master or whatever) right now because they're concerned that fixing the CVEs would be a breaking change.
     
     except the only explanation for wanting that behavior is to use the vulnerability
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     @p @w0rm @eriner @graf We need this, but for Python and its indentation.
     i_do_not_care_for_javascript-semicolon-insertion.jpg
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     @phnt @eriner @graf @w0rm JavaScript is terrible in ways that make memes easy.
     javascript.png
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     @phnt @p @eriner @graf @w0rm forced syntax screws with my head so hardcore.
     
     I dont give a fuck if people can read my code or not tbh
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     @p @eriner @graf nigga get indicted for conspiracy every day.
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     @zer0unplanned oh gosh, I hope so.
     
     (It's not contagious or even inherited, thank God.)
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     I have been asleep most the day, now @Death is asleep. I wouldn't want to wake her.
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     @w0rm @p @eriner whats up my friend, I gotta be up to pick up my college buddy from the airport soon what are you guys doing? phone chat?
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     @graf @Death @p @eriner
     
     Hope it's fantastic.
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     @w0rm @Death @p @eriner shame, maybe over the weekend when pete and I arent working with moon and others
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