Adrianna Tan
I was demonstrating the power of the Singaporean surveillance state to my wife (who lived there many years, but it’s still shocking to her). I was like wanna see my exam results from when I was 16???
I pulled out my national app, it scanned my face, and I show her all my exam results from when I was 16, 18. She was like who the fuck wants to know your O level math results. Why is this a thing. Why do they have it!!
Adrianna Tan
lol not making this up
Adrianna Tan
@CavedaleRhones it’s based on the British system of O and A
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCE_Ordinary_Level_(United_Kingdom)
O generally means an exam you sir for at a level around 16 years old
A level is kind of like a GED / high school diploma maybe more at AP level
And you take language courses in high school that are not ‘full’ subjects but smaller in scope so they also confusingly call it an O level subject but you do that later
Cavedale Rhônes
@skinnylatte What do the O and A mean?
Adrianna Tan
Employers used to ask to see your school certificates. That’s why when I read about Canonical asking for high school docs during the recruiting process I wasn’t very surprised (I’m guessing the founder came from a similar British colonial school system where this sort of thing is very common). Instead of fixing this (asking employers not to ask for this info) they just.. made it easier to provide this info
Adrianna Tan
@realn2s @libroraptor @chunshek I think most formal employment is just a way to exclude out group people. They don’t really care about actual qualifications or skills
Claudius Link
@libroraptor @chunshek @skinnylatte
This brings me to the question
Why should you dismiss them?
As they are doing the work and seem to be qualified? (The employer at least didn't notice otherwise)
So the question of the "qualifications" seems to have been superficial in the first place
Alistair K
@chunshek @skinnylatte You might be surprised how many people get good jobs through not being checked for their falsified degrees and job histories. I don't have stats but I've encountered it personally more times than would seem reasonably possible. Catching them late can sometimes leave the employer helpless to dismiss because by then it's the employer's fault for having been slack about checking.
Recently we heard about this clown in New Zealand who says that CVs are future-oriented aspirational expressions of value and attitude, not a chronology of the past. https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360762966/justice-appointee-whose-law-degree-claim-was-mistake
Over here, such employees generally can't be dismissed over old lies. And not even for incompetence: that's been construed as the employer's failure to train.
I haven't been able to find my last diploma for something like five years. The last three of them were in Latin so good luck to local employers who want them... but then again, as you say, by the time HR's going through the motions, their goal may be merely to have it, not to verify it. Verifying is actually a lot easier than getting the documents in many cases because you can do it so quickly via the universities' registry or alumni websites.
Chunshek :HomestarRunning:
@skinnylatte
At one of my previous jobs, after having been employed for years and promoted, HR asked me to produce my university transcripts and diplomas.
I was like: why did you not ask for them when I was being recruited or promoted?
Sometimes they just need to check the boxes. Why were those boxes there in the first place? Nobody knows.
Adrianna Tan
Rodrigo Dias
@skinnylatte Yikes, Singaporean surveillance is wild. Self-hosted tools > state-controlled apps.
Adrianna Tan
@gonzo_askold they have a list of your family members too!
Askold
surviliance is when thhey have your math score
Adrianna Tan
@dpflug yeah it's bizarre
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