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   kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 22:09:08 JST kaia
   enjoy your Windows 11 bloatware with 8GB of RAM :cat_ahaha:
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     Oblomov (oblomov@sociale.network)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 22:12:09 JST Oblomov

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     @kaia oh, fantastic. The AI craze has made every single application massively more memory hungry because of features nobody wants but the devs need to show everywhere to reach KPI, but at the same time the massive price hike due to the shortage caused by datacenter focus makes high-memory devices more scarce. Capitalism at its best.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 22:22:58 JST 翠星石

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     @kaia Ah yes, performing like windows vista laptops with 1GB RAM.
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 22:33:33 JST kaia

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     @newt year of the Linux laptop
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 22:33:34 JST :suya:

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     @kaia Windows users must be made to suffer. It is their destiny.
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     lait accompli (genmaicha@stereophonic.space)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 22:36:39 JST lait accompli

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     @kaia hoping the RAM shortage kills javascript
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 22:39:12 JST :suya:

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     @kaia somehow we live in the world were Linux has become much more useable than Windows, but for the sole reason that the latter has been made much worse. Intentionally.
     
     It's the Gaben way of doing things. Just sit tight and wait for the competition to blow themselves up.
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 22:39:34 JST cell classic

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     @kaia the laptop i bought in 2012 came with 8GB of RAM :scremcat:
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 22:40:02 JST Blurry Moon

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     @kaia I was hoping to upgrade to a new macbook pro with 128GB of RAM in January but guess that's out
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 22:45:59 JST cell classic

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     @sun @kaia what do you mean by the time this is through you'll be making a steal buying (soldered) RAM from Apple
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 22:51:50 JST Phantasm

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     @sun @kaia Finally Apple RAM prices feel justified.
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     gray (gray@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 23:08:08 JST gray

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     @phnt @kaia @sun even Dell is worse than Apple now. Here are the RAM upgrade prices on their 16 Pro:
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 23:16:37 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @kaia it's gonna be completely not usable. You definitively cannot have a good experience under 16gb nowadays
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     :ihavenomouth: (inginsub@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 23:16:37 JST :ihavenomouth:

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     @coolboymew @kaia tbh that's also true for linux, if you want to use a web browser
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 23:18:38 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @Inginsub @kaia All computers, all of them
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     :blobcathug: (jain@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 23:31:37 JST :blobcathug:

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     @kaia :blobcatlaugh:
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 23:35:19 JST mischievoustomato

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     • Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

     @newt @kaia @Natanox gnome 49 is great, very ergonomic, comfy to use. mate is usable but not as nice.

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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 23:35:21 JST :suya:

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     • Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
     @Natanox @kaia yes, furiously rewriting everything from scratch three times and reinventing a dozen wheels over took a lot of effort.
     
     I'm still puzzled about how exactly KDE6 is better than KDE3 or GNOME 50 is better than GNOME 2. As far as I am aware, nobody has ever gathered UX metrics of any kind in these projects, i.e. how much effort it takes for an average user to perform daily tasks. And something tells me, the improvement would be marginal.
     
     The only real improvement in the recent years was drivers support and vidya. That is actually awesome.
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     Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 23:35:22 JST Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

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     @newt @kaia That understates all the work that was put into all things Linux in the recent years.

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 23:36:59 JST mischievoustomato

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     @phnt @kaia @gray @sun not just frequency/mt, but also lower power usage.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 23:37:00 JST Phantasm

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     @gray @kaia @sun Not fully yet, but the frequency is probably higher on the crapbook air.
     
     (US prices)
     Macbook Air 15"
     Macboook Pro 16"
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     Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming (condret@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 23:51:10 JST Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming

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     @kaia the year of the linux laptop is here
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     England Lives (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 15-Dec-2025 23:51:10 JST England Lives

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     • Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming
     @condret old thinkpads my beloved
     
     @kaia
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 00:09:42 JST mischievoustomato

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     @newt @kaia @Natanox i am though.

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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 00:09:44 JST :suya:

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     • mischievoustomato
     @mischievoustomato @kaia @Natanox sorry, sad virgins aren't entitled to an opinion on Linux
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     :ihavenomouth: (inginsub@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 00:44:26 JST :ihavenomouth:

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     • dictatordave
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     @phnt @bajax @kaia @gray @dictatordave @sun
     > Programmers cannot write optimized code these days
     “cannot” as in “not allowed”. Everyone needs results as quickly as possible, and if you don’t shit out code on time, you’ll be replaced with an indian, who will later get replaced with an indian using copilot.
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     dictatordave (dictatordave@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 00:44:26 JST dictatordave

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     @Inginsub @phnt @bajax @kaia @gray @sun fuck it, i'll be playing red alert in dos box if yall need me
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 00:44:27 JST Phantasm

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     @dictatordave @bajax @kaia @gray @sun I agree, but that is something that will not happen on a mass scale. Programmers cannot write optimized code these days. That's the sad reality. Everything is a pile of JS masquerading as a desktop app eating gigabytes just doing nothing in the background.
     
     You _can_ use very low memory devices, but it requires making a lots of compromises. Like moving everything possible to TUI apps, using alternative frontends to most web sites,... Corporate will just continue to make their slop like they do now. And if a computer becomes too expensive for the average consumer, they'll move those apps to the cloud™ for a subscription fee of course. (That's the dystopian future I expect.)
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 00:44:28 JST Phantasm

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     @bajax @kaia @gray @dictatordave @sun Hahahaha, that was a good joke. Just buy a new computer and consoom.
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     dictatordave (dictatordave@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 00:44:28 JST dictatordave

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     @phnt @bajax @kaia @gray @sun i'm saying the absolute opposite of that tho
     i'm saying do the fucking hobby right and do it the cheapest way possible, like how we did in the 90s
     squeezing every bit of power out of what we could afford
     
     this bitching over pricy bullshit is just rich kids whining
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     bajax (bajax@baj.ax)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 00:44:29 JST bajax

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     • dictatordave
     • gray
     • Blurry Moon
     @phnt @kaia @gray @dictatordave @sun is there a remote possibilitiy that this situation will cause app (intentionally using that word) developers to think about memory footprint in a way they haven't before?
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     dictatordave (dictatordave@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 00:44:30 JST dictatordave

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     @phnt @gray @kaia @sun why not just get a chipset that uses ddr4, there are plenty and you have had options for i9 processors forever
     
     and you dont need that much ram to begin with, we used to make this mistake buying cad machines with like 128 gb of ram and shit, its pointless, you wont use that much ever and if you are, then buying on the retail market isn't where you should be looking anyway
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 00:44:30 JST Phantasm

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     @dictatordave @kaia @gray @sun ddr4 production is being quickly phased out as is usual in the memory field. So expect ddr4 prices to also grow a lot like all previous generations did.
     
     24 GB on Apple devices is basically a requirement as the memory is shared and new applications eat through memory. Win11 on 16GB laptops (also shared memory) is usable but at the verge of being too annoying, because Win11 eats memory much more than 10 did. If you plan to run Linux, the reasonable usability limit is around 8GB instead. Below that you have to start making compromises.
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     兎の月:moonrabbit: (amoonrabbit@mk.udongein.reisen)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:16:16 JST 兎の月:moonrabbit:

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     @kaia@brotka.st 8GB laptops will be the exact price point, or more, of what the 16GB ones were before.
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:19:08 JST kaia

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     @amoonrabbit then they will become even more expensive due to lacking volume
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     兎の月:moonrabbit: (amoonrabbit@mk.udongein.reisen)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:20:45 JST 兎の月:moonrabbit:

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     @kaia@brotka.st Microsoft pushes their consumer VDI as a solution, just as intended
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:21:45 JST kaia

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     @amoonrabbit so they can steal all data, also all input, each keyboard input
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:42:51 JST mischievoustomato

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     • Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
     • Nicholas Conrad

     @nicholas @kaia @Natanox @newt not really? i use 5 extensions, none of which change the core workflow. I just do what i gotta do on each workspace, be it file mgmt, chat/daemon apps, audio production, programming or gaming

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     Nicholas Conrad (nicholas@aklp.club)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:42:52 JST Nicholas Conrad

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     • Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
     • mischievoustomato

     Glad you're enjoying your system; don't ever change.

     For my milage:

     I put it on an old laptop I let a 7 year old play with like a Fisher-Price Baby's First Laptop, and that by all appearances seems to have been the gnome team's target audience. Maybe that's what you mean by "comfy"? Imo it's only usable for adults with approximately 1,000 extentions installed. Which, kudos for having an extension library, but that's not an excuse to design and ship a wish.com ios for your default desktop environment.

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:43:20 JST mischievoustomato

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     • Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
     • Nicholas Conrad

     @newt @nicholas @kaia @Natanox you don't need system trays rrally

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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:43:22 JST :suya:

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     • Nicholas Conrad
     @Natanox @nicholas @kaia GNOME doesn't support system tray without an extension. Because reasons. I'm sorry, I cannot take this piece of software seriously.
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     Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:43:24 JST Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

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     @nicholas @kaia @newt Credit where credit's due, Gnome got a high level of integration. Meaning that, after you add your Emails, Nextcloud etc. in the Online accounts, you got the whole suite of tools actually working with them (Contacts, Calendar, File Explorer with Cloud Storage access, etc.). KDE's attempt at it is rather pitiful.

     Meaning you might as well skip Gnome and use e.g. Cinnamon, who use the Gnome Online Accounts backend in their DE with objectively better UX. :thisisfine:

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:47:58 JST mischievoustomato

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     • pettanko

     @pettanko @nicholas @kaia @Natanox @newt i think steam tries to show a tray icon on gnome but can't really (and just runs in the background unless Exited), but that's the only app that does that for me, even Telegram doesn't anymore.

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     pettanko (pettanko@tsundere.love)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:47:59 JST pettanko

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     @mischievoustomato @nicholas @kaia @Natanox @newt I mean, it depends on what programs you're using, they're the ones that usually decide.
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:54:47 JST mischievoustomato

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     @pettanko @nicholas @kaia @Natanox @newt I use Fragments, doesn't use a tray icon, i just shove it to the workspaces to the left of the main one I use when I use it, otherwise it's not open.

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     pettanko (pettanko@tsundere.love)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 01:54:48 JST pettanko

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     @mischievoustomato @nicholas @kaia @Natanox @newt Most bittorrent programs do I'm sure.
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 02:18:48 JST mischievoustomato

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     @pettanko @nicholas @kaia @Natanox @newt guess so, I can't care about the other apps I don't use.

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     pettanko (pettanko@tsundere.love)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 02:18:49 JST pettanko

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     • mischievoustomato
     @mischievoustomato @nicholas @kaia @Natanox @newt I mean I use Fragments too but it's sort of the exception to the more popular ones.
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 02:38:48 JST mischievoustomato

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     @Inginsub @kaia @coolboymew you can cheat kinda with zswap/zram

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     Nietzschean Ekko Enjoyer (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 04:25:33 JST Nietzschean Ekko Enjoyer

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     @kaia
     8GB of ram wasn't enough for me to run a machine that literally only existed to run a single video game.

     No browser. No discord. No special keyboard software. One video game and an OS to run it on. 8GB wasn't enough.

     And half of these laptops are going to be swapping to spinning disks because NAND expensive now too

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     Dumb Idiot Retard (idiot@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 05:17:43 JST Dumb Idiot Retard

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     @kaia The amount of “how many GB do you REALLY need?” might-as-well-be hit pieces in the last few weeks is staggering. All of them. As many as I can fit in there. The more the merrier. We certainly won’t see companies tighten up their belts and start producing non-webshit non-electron native apps again now that they’ve gotten a taste of opulent decadence in memory hogging.
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     Personne (per_sonne@ciberlandia.pt)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 08:57:40 JST Personne

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     @kaia

     * laughs in Linux, barely using 2Gb of RAM *

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     Eugene :freebsd: :emacslogo: (evgandr@mastodon.bsd.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Dec-2025 18:50:25 JST Eugene :freebsd: :emacslogo:

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     @kaia Lol, looks like my #Thinkpad X220 from 2009 has more RAM for now, than modern laptops :drgn_aww: LMAO

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