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   bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦 (bert_hubert@eupolicy.social)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 02:13:42 JST bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

   Was forced to install the Miele app because it is the only way to tell the washing machine to clean itself. It asks you for permission to have third parties process and analyze your data no less than **8 times**. Ridiculous. I bet it will keep on asking until you give up. Also it is probably selling my data anyhow. Bah.

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     Janneke (janneke@todon.nl)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 02:13:36 JST Janneke

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     @bert_hubert
     What is wrong with the people who program this?

     We're supposed to have left Befehl ist Befehl some 80y behind us, no?

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     bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦 (bert_hubert@eupolicy.social)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 02:13:41 JST bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

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     And yes, I personally know what to do to stop this. But it is not about me, it is about population level exploitation of data. Bah again.

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     Janneke (janneke@todon.nl)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 02:17:48 JST Janneke

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     @bert_hubert
     Also, what kind of ethics classes do IT students get?

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     Janneke (janneke@todon.nl)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 02:26:33 JST Janneke

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     @DenOfEarth @bert_hubert
     Of course. That's exactly why I ask what kind of person would not just say no to a stupid Befehl?

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     Den of Earth (denofearth@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 02:26:34 JST Den of Earth

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     @janneke @bert_hubert
     I guarantee you the people who program this are not the ones who are choosing of their own accord to write this. It's coming from upper management.

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     Janneke (janneke@todon.nl)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 02:56:51 JST Janneke

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     @bert_hubert @DenOfEarth
     Yeah some would; Yet here I thought we were talking about German computer programmers.

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     bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦 (bert_hubert@eupolicy.social)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 02:56:53 JST bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

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     @janneke @DenOfEarth people who need money to live.

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     Janneke (janneke@todon.nl)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 03:50:02 JST Janneke

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     @bert_hubert @DenOfEarth
     Maybe you're right and there cannot be ethics under capitalism.

     And you're already complicit to (a form of) slavery if you buy a home appliance.

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     bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦 (bert_hubert@eupolicy.social)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 03:50:04 JST bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

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     @janneke @DenOfEarth also there people need to feed their families.

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     bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦 (bert_hubert@eupolicy.social)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 05:38:14 JST bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

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     The machine is "OFF" and it is STILL sending data to Microsoft Azure. You could not invent this world.

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     bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦 (bert_hubert@eupolicy.social)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 05:38:15 JST bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

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     Also this is some ESP8266 level performance! It's MAC address is registered to Miele, which is a nice touch.

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     Steve's Place (steter@mastodon.stevesworld.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 06:18:54 JST Steve's Place

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     @bert_hubert Run the washer once on a cycle with no fabric softener element, using hot water and no detergent. As far as I can tell, that's all mine does. If it won't run without clothing, toss in a clean bath towel.

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     Steve's Place (steter@mastodon.stevesworld.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 06:19:57 JST Steve's Place

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     @bert_hubert Oh. Never mind, lol.

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     bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦 (bert_hubert@eupolicy.social)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 06:19:58 JST bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

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     @steter this is not the cleaning I am talking about.

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     Reinout van Schouwen (reinouts@mastodon.green)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 07:48:34 JST Reinout van Schouwen

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     @econads
     Actually... https://www.acm.org/code-of-ethics

     The thing is, out in the field the vast majority of developers have never even heard about this code of ethics.

     @DenOfEarth @janneke @bert_hubert

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     econads (econads@mendeddrum.org)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 07:48:35 JST econads

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     @DenOfEarth @janneke @bert_hubert some of us don't push back enough or at all though. In Germany soldiers have an obligation to refuse an illegal order, there's nothing like that for developers. We have to take some responsibility.

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     Ali Mirjamali (alimirjamali@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 21:54:23 JST Ali Mirjamali

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     @bert_hubert Fun times. We were promised advanced washing machines with water filled counter-weights (patent number GB2559559A). Ultra-silent direct mount/direct drive motors. Life lasting bearings and enclosure made of stainless steel sheets. Yet the top tier brand could offer some internet of crap innovation.

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     bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦 (bert_hubert@eupolicy.social)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 21:54:25 JST bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

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     Now, I've not yet been able to fully disable the WiFi module yet. But it now thinks it is 127.0.0.1, and not getting very far anymore:

     13:25:39.098568 ARP, Request who-has 127.0.0.1 tell 127.0.0.1, length 46

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     bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦 (bert_hubert@eupolicy.social)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 21:54:27 JST bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

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     in a DELICIOUS twist, despite what the Miele instructions said, the app is not able to initiate the 'TwinDos' cleaning. HOWEVER! The app did contain a link to an actual PDF manual which tells me to press an invisible button, keep it pressed, and then close the machine door, to get to a "programming menu". And option P68 there set to '1' enables the cleaning program. Next up, how to disconnect the machine from the internet again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV7hWqRr_FQ

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     bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦 (bert_hubert@eupolicy.social)'s status on Monday, 08-Dec-2025 21:54:28 JST bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

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     And to make matters worse I can’t even turn on the kind of cleaning I need. “Server error”