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It's FOSS (itsfoss@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:02:56 JST 
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Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮 (gamingonlinux@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:02:56 JST 
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@itsfoss That he would probably hate social media bait like this 👍
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:04:32 JST 
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@itsfoss@mastodon.social Benevolent asshole who actively sabotages the free software movement.
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:08:14 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss thank you, i like him more -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:18:42 JST
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@klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social Actively discourages the use of the GPLv3 (the best free software license we have today), and takes all the credit for creating "an operating system" (GNU created an operating system, he only a kernel).
Also Linux is not even a free software project. It contains many proprietary blobs because Torvald's has no ethics. -
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klme :tux: 🇺🇦 (klme@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:18:45 JST 
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss how?
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:19:46 JST
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @itsfoss@mastodon.social @klme@fosstodon.org I disagree. I think if Linux adopted the GPLv3 and didn't allow proprietary blobs we would be in a much better place right now.
It would've forced a lot of companies to start making free software instead.翠星石 likes this. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:19:47 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @klme if linux was gplv3 it would've died a long time ago -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:20:45 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @klme that wouldn't have happened at all, imo. there could be some hw support for server stuff but not more, less than what we have now -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:21:43 JST 
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @mischievoustomato @klme If Linux was GPLv3, everyone would still be using NetBSD instead like they've been doing before.
Any line of thinking that the world would be a better place if Stallman won is delusional.djsumdog and Johnny Peligro like this. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:22:18 JST
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @itsfoss@mastodon.social @klme@fosstodon.org We might have had less proprietary hardware support, but we would still have more hardware support using free software than we have now. So it would be a net positive.
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:27:15 JST
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @klme@fosstodon.org No, what you're saying is actually delusional.
Why are people in our current timeline still using the Linux kernel despite it being copyleft licensed (but under the GPLv2) when they could avoid copyleft completely by using something like NetBSD instead?
Because NetBSD fucking sucks and everyone knows GNU/Linux is technically superior. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:29:49 JST
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@a1ba@suya.place @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social By that logic why didn't all the companies invest into BSD instead then because that is even more "less restrictive"?
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:umu: :umu: (a1ba@suya.place)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:29:51 JST 
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@mischievoustomato @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq if we think of GPLv2 being less restrictive to companies (which invest into Linux development the most) and therefore making it more appealing...
we have also have other free operating systems that were not helped by permissive licensing, even though it's less restrictive than GPLv2 and again must be even more appealing -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:31:15 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @phnt @klme you have no right to call anyone delusional -
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djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:53:53 JST 
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I don't think companies would flock to NetBSD. They'd do what you see with FreeBSD: rip out the parts they like (typically the TCP layer) and repackage it into something unrecognizable (Wii's OS, PS4, etc.) That's specifically the embedded space. Linux did well in the desktop and server space because of driver support more than anything, and it came up before the VM farm (a.k.a "cloud") era.
It's been a long time since I looked up the Tivoization/GPLv3 debate. What would have that license done in modern terms? Would we not have linux-firmware? Would Android still be just as annoying to make custom ROMs for? You could make the argument then we'd see fewer binary blobs and less need for things like coreboot ... or companies would have found more interesting legal ways around those limitations.
As far as Linux foot-gunning themselves more these days, there's the whole zfs/write_cache_pages thing with the kernel 6.18:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.18-write-cache-pages
although it looks like one dev already found a work-around:
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:53:55 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @mischievoustomato @klme
>Why are people in our current timeline still using the Linux kernel despite it being copyleft licensed (but under the GPLv2) when they could avoid copyleft completely by using something like NetBSD instead?
Because it was the better solution that still allowed companies to run it on whatever they wanted without any meaningful restrictions. And GPLv3 restricts that with Tivoization. It's as simple as that. You restrict companies from using it, companies flock to something else. The OS you are currently using was made possible by companies using it and contributing back, something which would very likely go away with GPLv3.
And the line of thinking that more free hardware would be created is also delusional since most free software advocates lack knowledge to actually create any hardware. And companies have completely no incentive to create such hardware, especially if they can't run a kernel however they want using their own hardware.
>Because NetBSD fucking sucks and everyone knows GNU/Linux is technically superior.
It's also much more complicated and the reason why it won in embedded is because it gained a toolchain in mid 2000's that supported cross-compiling in a reasonably sensible way. NetBSD is still more easily portable, but lacks filesystems useful in embedded like squashfs, jfs and ffs. -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 20:53:55 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @klme @mischievoustomato
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>NetBSD fucking sucks
Portability is bad in your eyes? Just like OpenBSD creating and maintaining core parts of any Linux system (sudo, openssh, tmux), NetBSD did the same.
Do you need UNIX-esque tools to run on some obscure UNIX-like OS, you turn to NetBSD userspace. Do you need to build a package for your OS temporarily and packaging it is too complicated, pkgsrc has you covered. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:01:48 JST
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social @klme@fosstodon.org @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love I'm posting it again.
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klme :tux: 🇺🇦 (klme@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:07:41 JST
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Lol, what? They didn’t happen to burn any churches, did they? -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:07:41 JST
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@klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social People who support "open source" are usually not opposed to add in proprietary software into their codebases "pragmatic reasons", like kernel blobs or other binaries.
That's literally the opposite of software freedom.
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:07:42 JST
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@klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social The "open source" movement is not a different view on software freedom. It is against software freedom.
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klme :tux: 🇺🇦 (klme@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:07:43 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss This is more of an ideological conflict; calling it sabotage is simply absurd. These are just different views on software freedom.
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:07:48 JST
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@a1ba @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq the thing you conveniently forget is the momentum/intertia linux had due to winning that lawsuit, and the gplv2 being "good enough" in regards to contributing code and using blobs for companies that they just kept working with it. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:09:27 JST
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@phnt @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq exactly. If Linus went through with licensing the kernel with GPLv3, I probably would've never used Linux in the first place. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:15:06 JST
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@phnt @djsumdog @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq did the company work around the quirk? Hilarious though. I'd like to see that happen more often. -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:15:07 JST
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@mischievoustomato @djsumdog @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq Just lie to the kernel and say you are GPL and out-of-tree. That's literally it.
Some random Linux dev got assmad about a company doing that to bypass the kernel stupidity while rewriting the driver to GPL and added a quirk to blacklist them. Linux should have been LGPL from the start. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:15:08 JST
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@djsumdog @phnt @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq > As far as Linux foot-gunning themselves more these days, there's the whole zfs/write_cache_pages thing with the kernel 6.18:
I wonder how hard it'd be for someone to make a kernel patch that turns off all the symbol exporting issues. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:17:52 JST
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@klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social You can not compromise on values that are meant to be absolute.
If you're against genocide you wouldn't see only half of the people being killed as a fair compromise now would you?翠星石 likes this. -
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klme :tux: 🇺🇦 (klme@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:17:53 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss A compromise does not mean that someone is against it. It's just illogical.
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:27:17 JST
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@phnt @djsumdog @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq if BSD wasn't attacked and the BSD licenses thrived we wouldn't have had this autism, -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:27:18 JST
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@mischievoustomato @djsumdog @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq It's funnier than I remembered. The drivers were actually v3+ licensed.
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Pi_rat (pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:36:56 JST 
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@a1ba @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:37:30 JST
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @phnt@fluffytail.org @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social If Linus choose the GPLv3 this also wouldn't happen.
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:40:27 JST
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@SuperDicq @djsumdog @itsfoss @phnt @klme yeah cuz tuxedo wouldn't even exist (no one would make drivers for anything on linux but servers) -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:48:04 JST
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@mischievoustomato @klme @Pi_rat @itsfoss @SuperDicq @a1ba Someone probably put Apple Inc. as their name into the donation to make a funny. Johnny Peligro likes this. -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:48:05 JST
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@Pi_rat @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq @a1ba @mischievoustomato Same mentality applies :)
linux-cucks.webp
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:48:05 JST
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@phnt @klme @Pi_rat @itsfoss @SuperDicq @a1ba also, the funny thing about the donation is... didn't apple *hire* the guys anyway? -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:48:19 JST
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @Pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com @klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social @a1ba@suya.place @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love GNU/Linux users when another man has sex with their girlfriend (she's free)Is this a bad time to mention that I am a non-monogamist?
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:49:33 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @a1ba @phnt @Pi_rat @klme i would be a non monogamist if i could get a harem (of women only), tbf -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:49:33 JST
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@phnt @klme @Pi_rat @itsfoss @SuperDicq @a1ba probably -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:51:11 JST
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@RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @itsfoss@mastodon.social @klme@fosstodon.org The GPLv3 is better for most software. Only specific scenarios actually require the AGPLv3.
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RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:51:12 JST 
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @klme
>the best free software license we have today
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:58:43 JST
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @itsfoss@mastodon.social @a1ba@suya.place @phnt@fluffytail.org @Pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com @klme@fosstodon.org As long as all the women involved give consent that is perfectly valid just like any other form of non-monogamy.
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waifu (waifu@mai.waifuism.life)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 21:58:49 JST
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @phnt@fluffytail.org @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social It's kinda of difficult to know what had happened but i see two sides like:
- On one point you have that yes more permissive licenses mean the companies can do whatever they want so they will use it more
- More copyleft licenses maintain everyone's freedom and make it so everyone can get benefits but companies use it less
If the bsd license was good, freebsd or netbsd or whatever would have thrived regardless, but it didn't, as the model doesn't ask anything in return, you basically work for others for free, this doesn't happen in the more copyleft licenses. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 22:03:05 JST
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@RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @itsfoss@mastodon.social @klme@fosstodon.org For a lot of types software the AGPLv3 is really unpractical, unnecessary and heavily reduces license compatibility.
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RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 22:03:06 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @klme there are clear benefits to AGPLv3 over GPLv3, but what downsides are there? -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 22:04:44 JST
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@RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @itsfoss@mastodon.social @klme@fosstodon.org So only use the AGPLv3 if the software is likely to be used over a network. That's also the official recommendation of the GNU project.
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 22:15:00 JST
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@waifu @SuperDicq @itsfoss @djsumdog @mischievoustomato @klme You can still do that same shenanigans you normally do with BSD with Linux. If your Linux patches are only internal and aren't shipped anywhere outside of the company, you don't have to disclose any of them. And if you ship something with those patches, you can play the come to my office for the source code game. The GPL doesn't actually solve anything when it comes to companies not contributing back.
Intel and Netflix both contribute regularly to FreeBSD and if you want a stable storage system or a firewall that won't die randomly, you use FreeBSD. Because ZFS on Linux is a russian roulette and conntrack is garbage.waifu and Johnny Peligro like this. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-Sep-2025 22:26:17 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @a1ba @phnt @Pi_rat @klme i mean, yeah -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 03:33:42 JST
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@vokainen099 @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq > no gnome
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Vokainen (vokainen099@cawfee.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 03:33:43 JST 
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@waifu @phnt @SuperDicq @itsfoss @djsumdog @mischievoustomato @klme@fosstodon.same
I'd argue not much would have changed.
We'd have a far weaker RHEL, thus maybe we would have a minimal systemd-like thing that is far more modular and no Gnome madness, since RHEL would have been way too financially weak to push its policies onto the wider community, it would need to keep itself on the good side of the userbase, being less able to pay for development, and being less pressured by company contracts
We probably would have some generalized kernel-only GPLv3-compliant drivers that would work with most things in a basic state, but you'd probably need to inject kernel modules or use some userspace driver things to install firmware and unlock all features. Basically Nvidia before it released the open source driver, but on a larger scale and in a more supported way, except on some pure distros
Android would still happen mostly the same
We'd have less corporate Linux and more desktop Linux -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 03:42:31 JST
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@vokainen099 @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq i mean that's the gnome that i like, currently gnome is great, gtk4+libadwaita is so, so nice waifu repeated this. -
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Vokainen (vokainen099@cawfee.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 03:42:32 JST
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@mischievoustomato @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq I meant no modern Gnome, the one that made the GTK3 apocalypse
Gnome already existed for years when Stallman brought up the gplv3 -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 03:47:19 JST
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@phnt @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq bleh, i see more and more people say they love gnome, even people on here -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 03:47:20 JST
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@mischievoustomato @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq Yes Tomato, we know you need mental help regarding your software choices :meowSmile: waifu likes this. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 03:47:52 JST
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @vokainen099@cawfee.club @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @itsfoss@mastodon.social @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Also a lot of Oracle. I've spoken to some people there and they basically get paid full time to work just on GNU stuff. Sounds like a pretty cool job not gonna lie.
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 03:47:53 JST
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@vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato It would be interesting who would maintain GNU since a lot of the core like glibc and GCC is maintained by red hat employees. Apple was already out of GCC when V3 released I think. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 03:56:11 JST
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@vokainen099 @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq I don't theme and thinn the restrictions around theming are good -
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Vokainen (vokainen099@cawfee.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 03:56:12 JST
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@mischievoustomato @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq If they start breaking GTK4 on every minor update you'll have way less people liking it, and you will understand the GTK3 experience -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:17:40 JST
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@mischievoustomato @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq I should make a Tomato's book of sins in software opinions. waifu likes this. -
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djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:20:19 JST
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They broke fucking drag and dropping on X11 (Gajim). That's not theme related. Johnny Peligro repeated this. -
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djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:21:48 JST
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so ... the CIA indirectly backs GNU? 🤣 -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:21:53 JST
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@djsumdog @vokainen099 @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq i use wayland and dont use xmpp... I haven't had drag and drop issues until i let go of firefox lol -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:22:12 JST
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@djsumdog@djsumdog.com I mean yes, because the chances are very high that CIA itself also uses GNU software.
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:23:05 JST
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@pantherastare @vokainen099 @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq honestly ebussy is a god. I don't want people to give their opinions and tarnish the view that gnome has.. I'm incredibly more productive on gnome than i was when i used windows or something similar to that paradigm. Plus it also uses very little resources, especially power. -
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pantherastare (pantherastare@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:23:06 JST 
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@mischievoustomato @vokainen099 @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq 50% of all gnome hate comes from people groomed into buying a cum stained thinkpad and/or not using the cpu they paid for
the rest is people who only really need gui to run video games or had the misfortune of reading one or more sentences written by ebussy -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:24:02 JST
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@phnt @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq do it. I'm proud of them! -
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djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:26:31 JST
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Have you ever tried a tiling window manager like i3 or Hyprland? -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:26:37 JST
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@djsumdog @vokainen099 @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato Breaking X11 isn't a bug, that's a feature. -
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djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:26:37 JST
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https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/killing-X11 -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:26:50 JST
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@djsumdog @vokainen099 @phnt @pantherastare @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq yeah, huge turn off. hyprland i didnt try but i did try i3/enlightenment and... not for me -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:26:54 JST
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@phnt @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq hell yeah -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:27:00 JST
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@phnt @vokainen099 @djsumdog @pantherastare @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq for me, having to argue why what you think should be added is great. Enforces people to think. I don't want gnome to end like kde where's its a ghetto -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:27:01 JST
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@pantherastare @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato The problem with Gnome is that everybody must act like a clone of ebussy if they want to contribute. It's some kind of a dark ritual I've heard. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:30:07 JST
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@djsumdog@djsumdog.com Personally I'm not a fan of tiling window managers either.
I prefer to use KDE, or XFCE on my machines that are too slow for KDE.
I do not like GNOME simply because it feels like the developers are trying to force a very specific vision of what they think the desktop should look like while not listening to the needs of their users.
It's not a software freedom issue. I do not think it is unethical to use GNOME. I just don't like this model of development. It kinda reminds me of the same issues I have with Mastodon to be honest. -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 20-Sep-2025 04:42:01 JST
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@djsumdog @vokainen099 @pantherastare @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato Awesome and dwm is where it's at. Manual tilers slow down even me. waifu likes this. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 00:17:29 JST 
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@a1ba @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato >if we think of GPLv2 being less restrictive to companies
If you actually read the GPLv2 and GPLv3, you'll realize that neither license contains any restrictions and GPLv3 being a better license, better suits companies.
The GPLv2 in fact totally forbids tivotization; "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and ****installation of the executable****." (note there are some "creative interpretations" that providing incomplete compilation scripts that compile object code that does not execute (i.e. not an executable) is compiling with the GPLv2 - but really those Linux developers only ever enforce their license against freedom).
Meanwhile, the GPLv3 permits tivotization for commercial-only hardware (as companies wanted that);
A “User Product” is either (1) a “consumer product”, which means any tangible personal property which is normally used for personal, family, or household purposes, or (2) anything designed or sold for incorporation into a dwelling.
“Installation Information” for a User Product means any methods, procedures, authorization keys, or other information required to install and execute modified versions of a covered work in that User Product from a modified version of its Corresponding Source. The information must suffice to ensure that the continued functioning of the modified object code is in no case prevented or interfered with solely because modification has been made.
(Quite clearly merely a longer-winded way of stating what the GPLv2 requires, except looser, as commercial-only hardware is excepted).
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.en.html
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html
>even though it's less restrictive than GPLv2
With weak licenses, you do not have any defenses against patent or trademark threats, thus the chances of restrictions with weak software is much higher. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 00:22:05 JST
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@phnt @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato >You restrict companies from using it, companies flock to something else.
Companies are not restricted from using GPLv3 software - they are welcome to use it.
Just like the GPLv2 does, the GPLv3 simply doesn't give companies permission to attack the human race.
>GPLv3 restricts that with Tivoization.
Unlike the GPLv2, with the GPLv3, companies can implement whatever tivoization they want with commerical-only hardware.
The GPLv3 doesn't restrict anything - it even grants more permissions than what the GPLv2 does.
>The OS you are currently using was made possible by companies using it and contributing back, something which would very likely go away with GPLv3.
Companies really haven't had any problems contributing to GPLv3-or-later packages at the same rate as GPLv2-only packages - although that rarely happens as most companies are too dumb to help themselves. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 00:24:26 JST
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@mischievoustomato @djsumdog @phnt @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq Those joke OS's and terrible weak license connection would have ended up as a joke regardless. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 00:25:00 JST
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@SuperDicq @djsumdog @itsfoss @phnt @mischievoustomato @klme Only if Linux chose to upgrade to GPLv3-*or-later* or at least GPLv2-or-later, would problems not have occured. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 00:25:36 JST
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@SuperDicq @djsumdog @itsfoss @phnt @mischievoustomato @klme Only if Linux chose to upgrade to GPLv3-*or-later* or at least GPLv2-or-later, would problems not have occurred. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 00:28:05 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @RedTechEngineer @klme Examples?
The server part of the AGPLv3+ only applies if the software is being run as a network service for some users and it's compatible with the GPLv3+ - meaning if it's compatible with GPLv3+, it's compatible with AGPLv3+. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 00:28:32 JST
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @itsfoss@mastodon.social @RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @klme@fosstodon.org HTTP servers come to mind.
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 00:34:07 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @RedTechEngineer @klme Why shouldn't a HTTP server respect the users freedom?
It appears that both nginx and Apache are under licenses that are compatible with the AGPLv3+. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 00:35:51 JST
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @itsfoss@mastodon.social @RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @klme@fosstodon.org If you're running Nginx or Apache on your server it would be really annoying to comply with the AGPLv3. And also unnecessary because I this software is running not on my computer, and it isn't SaaSS.
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 00:42:52 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @RedTechEngineer @klme >If you're running Nginx or Apache on your server it would be really annoying to comply with the AGPLv3.
If you don't modify the software - the AGPLv3 doesn't require you to do anything.
A web server is quite good at serving files and it can serve the source code of the modified version just fine (AGPLv3+ software tends to be designed to automate providing the source code).
>this software is running not on my computer, and it isn't SaaSS.
The AGPLv3+ doesn't require anything if the computer is not doing a computation over a network service for users (i.e. not SaaSS). -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 00:51:51 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @RedTechEngineer @klme >If you want to modify the code as a server admin you would have to do additional work
It's much easier to include a copy of source code than to make modifications of source code and if someone is going to make a change, they can copy a file too.
>with no benefit to the users of server (they don't need it)
The users do in fact deserve the source code - they deserve to know what change the admin has made if they want. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 00:51:53 JST
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @itsfoss@mastodon.social @RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @klme@fosstodon.org My SaaSS argument is not about AGPLv3 requirements. It's about the requirement for freedom for the user.
If you don't modify the software - the AGPLv3 doesn't require you to do anything.Yes, but that's my point. If you want to modify the code as a server admin you would have to do additional work, with no benefit to the users of server (they don't need it). It's not convenient. -
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SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 01:13:22 JST
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @itsfoss@mastodon.social @RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @klme@fosstodon.org The users do in fact deserve the source code - they deserve to know what change the admin has made if they want.Why should users be entitled to the source code of software that is not running on their own computer? Keeping software private is perfectly valid as long as you do not distribute it.
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 22-Sep-2025 01:28:44 JST
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @RedTechEngineer @klme Since it does their computation and therefore the software is not being privately run.
If the software did not do the users computation, then the software is actually private and it's fine if the user doesn't have a copy of the software (and the AGPLv3+ doesn't require providing the source code in that case either).
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