Jess👾
Periodic reminder to anyone who builds applications:
People's names and email addresses can change over time. And not just women's last names. Any part of any person's name. Build a fucking workflow that won't break everything when they do change names.
✧✦Catherine✦✧
@artemist @JessTheUnstill these websites exist lolsob
artemist
@JessTheUnstill i'm also begging everyone to stop using "first name" and "last name", not everyone has both of those and in several countries the family name is first and the personal name is second.
it's like if you asked everyone to put in their patronymic in a field on your website
Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:
@JessTheUnstill gender should be an ASN.1 BER structure to discourage storing it
Jess👾
Obviously gender markers can change too (but unless you're legally required, why the fuck are you storing gender anyway you fucking creeps)
Erin 💽✨
@xyhhx @JessTheUnstill @firstyear @yaleman sending full names and full addresses in the general case would be hopeless, these networks work in Latin-1* so there’s no way it could ever work for even half of europe never mind asia
(*Technically EBCDIC 037 or EBCDIC 1047 butt both of these are 1:1 permutations of ISO 8859-1 so…)
Erin 💽✨
@xyhhx @JessTheUnstill @firstyear @yaleman for mastercard & visa it basically boils down to card number, expiration date, cvc2/cvv2 digits of address, post/zip code.
as an issuer we don’t decline based upon address mismatches we just tell the merchant how the address digits + postcode digits matched and they decide whether to reverse the transaction or not. typically they ignore the address digits result entirely and just check the postcode result because addresses get mangled in unholy ways and that check fails all the time for stupid reasons
xyhhx 🔻
@JessTheUnstill i'm fairly sure it depends on the card issuer and the merchant. i've had mine be declined for erroneous name and/or postal code before
Jess👾
Hunh, I thought they were picky about that. Is it really just card number, code, and zip?
@erincandescent @firstyear @yaleman @xyhhx
Erin 💽✨
@JessTheUnstill @firstyear @xyhhx @yaleman (asterisk asterisk we might get them if the merchant decides to do 3DSecure v2 and we might even look at them then but if they’re wrong the transaction isn’t getting declined we’re just making you authenticate)
Jess👾
I mean, I really don't need someone specifically saying "Dear Jessica" just because that's the first name on my credit card. I'll tell you my name is Jess, you can use Jess anywhere in your application, and you can store "Jessica $Lastname" in the same data as my credit card number. Which is nobody's fucking business beyond processing a credit card transaction and shouldn't be visible in anywhere else in the application.
Erin 💽✨
@JessTheUnstill @xyhhx @firstyear @yaleman as someone who works at a card issuer feel free to tell the merchant your name is “mr fucking blobby” for all i care they don’t send us the name and as for the address we probably only get all of the digits mashed together.
xyhhx 🔻
@JessTheUnstill shout out to kanidm (thanks @firstyear and @yaleman!):
https://kanidm.github.io/kanidm/stable/developers/developer_ethics.html#self-name-change
https://kanidm.github.io/kanidm/stable/developers/#humans-first
Wolf480pl
@wonka @JessTheUnstill
hot take:
instead / in addition to fines, require deletion of data in the presence of a court-appointed expert witness
Jess👾
@wonka I mean, usually they want it for targeted advertising and demographics profiles for market surveys. But yeah, unless they're needing it for matching to government ID or health insurance or some other system that requires giving a gender marker, it's pointless.
Wilfried Klaebe
@JessTheUnstill Collecting data that is ONLY useful for profiling and advertising should be only allowed with an explicit opt-in, with stiff fines for transgressions.
Wilfried Klaebe
@JessTheUnstill Apart from stuff around medical topics and probably dating apps, what would anyone need that for?
artemist
@JessTheUnstill if you want to ask for "name in passport" don't complain if there's no first name, e.g. Malaysian passports put the entire name in the surname field
see the sample on PRADO: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/prado/en/MYS-AO-03001/image-315879.html
(in the MRZ a < character represents a space in a name, the string << separates the surname and forename)
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