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   SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 18:17:17 JST SuperDicq

   No website should ever have any form of age verification system whatsoever.
   
   If your child sees something on the internet you didn't want them to see that's your fault as a parent.

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     ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 18:17:15 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:

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     @SuperDicq THAT CAN'T BE POSSIBLE :ono:
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 18:18:55 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq You don't understand, the government knows better than you and has to regulate it. :02smug:
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 18:19:58 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org They say it's about safety but they have not provided any sort of evidence that pornography is dangerous?

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     @phnt @SuperDicq THE GOVERNMENT LOVES ME
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 18:23:18 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq They won't provide any evidence because it never was about safety and never will be. It's about spying on citizens and always will be.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 19:08:58 JST SuperDicq

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     @newt@stereophonic.space @phnt@fluffytail.org the number of transgenders correlates with access to porn, among other things.I'm not sure if that is true, but even if it is then that also falls under the category of the social dynamics and cultural impact of media in general.
     
     This is not an actual danger that has anything to do with pornography.

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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 19:09:04 JST :suya:

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     @SuperDicq @phnt the number of transgenders correlates with access to porn, among other things.
     
     But I agree with the sentiment that the state has no business in restricting access to information.
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 19:17:56 JST :suya:

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     @SuperDicq @phnt no, that's porn specifically. There also are other negative impacts, like many coomers being unable to get it up with a real girl.
     
     In any case, porn is the mcdonalds of sex. Vaguely resembling real food, it can satiate one's immediate urge, but consuming it daily turns a man into a greasy abominable fat fuck, a mere husk of what he could've been. I wouldn't want my children to watch porn just like I wouldn't want them to consume garbage food, drink excessively, or smoke weed. Because abstaining from all of the above makes one a better human being.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 19:23:51 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @SuperDicq Yeah never should but well the child thing is an excuse for state surveillance and control.
     And it's very visible at least in the North Atlantic Garbage Patch, I mean UK, case where even wikipedia gets hit.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 19:37:06 JST Phantasm

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 19:39:42 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @SuperDicq @phnt And well if it the ID-check stuff would actually get accepted by people, then you'd end up with spaces that for a reason or another are pretty much confirmed to be full of kids, and *that* one can actually be dangerous.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 19:43:18 JST iced depresso

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     @lanodan @phnt @SuperDicq there's some supposition that they know its not effective its just about punishing the adult industry sideways.
     
     the christofascists feel emboldened recently.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 19:56:56 JST Phantasm

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     @lanodan @SuperDicq I don't think kids should have access to the Internet either until somewhere around puberty. Mostly because of what is the result of "iPad" kids and parents buying kids tablets/phones so they don't have to play with them as much. But the government should have no say in that, the parents should.
     
     The maximum of government involvement in that could be research into the effects of having access to the Internet at a young age, but that requires the government to have no say in the enforcement, otherwise the results will be skewed and biased.
     
     I'm aware that what I essentially described is almost an unsolvable problem.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 19:59:32 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me My stance on internet is different.
     
     I don't think internet by itself is harmful for minors. Actually I think having access to information and the ability to communicate and engage with other people is a good thing.
     
     The real issue is proprietary recommendation algorithms that plague the big tech social media websites. They shouldn't be regulated for children, they should be banned, for everyone.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:02:02 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @SuperDicq @phnt I think it can be horribly harmful *if* left unaccompanied.
     Information and communication aren't neutral and can be harmful (due to stuff like harassement, and what I tend to describe as potential mental hazards like shock, horror, …), but it doesn't means they have to be sheltered.
     
     A bunch of things are harmful but they shouldn't be left alone on the internet and should probably be taught a bit of ways to avoid harm.
     
     Plus it's not unique to internet, don't leave boomers in front of the television.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:02:42 JST Fish of Rage

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     @phnt @SuperDicq @lanodan
     
     "the state shouldn't take care of your kids, you are responsible for your own kids protection"
     
     "ok, I am protecting my kids from all the bad things that the state allows to permeate society"
     
     "unacceptable, the state is taking away your kids"
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:03:11 JST SuperDicq

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     @sun@shitposter.world @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me Nobody has ever taken your kids away because you didn't allow them to watch porn. This has never happened.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:04:30 JST Fish of Rage

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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt I think the Internet is harmful for minors, even if all the content is basically innocuous the entire current mechanism on the human psyche is harmful and its application to the developing mind should be minimized.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:07:53 JST Fish of Rage

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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt yeah I basically mean this, although even if you didn't have big companies and dark patterns it still would be harmful if not limited. I think the Internet is good but it's good like fire is good and dangerous like fire is dangerous.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:07:54 JST SuperDicq

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     @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org The proprietary big tech controlled part of the internet is harmful for everyone, not only children, and should be avoided. I can agree with that.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:08:36 JST Fish of Rage

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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt the state can and does coerce how people raise their children so the argument that the state shouldn't be a nanny is when some person's arbitrary line is crossed, not an objective qualitative statement
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:10:09 JST Phantasm

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     @lanodan @SuperDicq It used to be that a lot of forums were 18+ and would just ban kids that behaved like kids. In that sense, kids sorta learned to act like adults and think like them, which might have aided them in becoming adults, but that Internet is gone now.
     
     To give an example of a community that should police itself to be exclusively 18+ is the Fediverse. There's just too many traps a kid could fall into here and coupled with nonce instances becoming prevalent, it's getting worse. This Pleroma/Dark Fedi/whatever side mostly agrees on that this place should be without minors, but the Mastodon side doesn't. Discord guilds are also another whole can of worms.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:10:44 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me I don't think the fediverse should be without minors. There is absolutely no reason to ban or block minors. I seriously don't see the issue.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:13:10 JST Phantasm

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     @sun @SuperDicq @lanodan With regards to the whole algorithm thing, games don't necessarily have dark patterns/algorithms to make you attached/addicted (the mobile ones do), but gaming addiction has been a problem for kids for at least a decade.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:13:52 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me Video game addiction is also a parenting issue in my opinion.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:15:23 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @phnt @SuperDicq Well I think kids should be able to use fedi but yeah, probably with somewhat cosplaying as adults and legally in the style of "we do not knowingly have users under age of 18 (doesn't know the age of anyone)".
     
     In fact, reminds me that Facebook and the like have "we do not knowingly have users under age of 13" but there's probably still a ton of under-13 kids on there (at least used to be in something like 2009).
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:15:33 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @sun Correct, it is. My point is that you don't need a proprietary algorithm to get addicted.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:18:27 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @phnt @SuperDicq @sun Yeah, it's only somewhat relevant if you'd want to audit/control the kind of addiction it can have but it's not something to be taken for granted.
     
     Like how we shouldn't take for granted that free software means privacy when most distros just don't patch anything in that regard.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:18:47 JST Phantasm

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     @lanodan @SuperDicq
     >In fact, reminds me that Facebook and the like have "we do not knowingly have users under age of 13"...
     It's much worse than back then. 10 year olds have Instagram, WhatsApp, Snapchat and TikTok already. And that's no an exaggeration, if you don't have at least WhatsApp and TikTok, you are a "nobody". They also mostly communicate over these platforms leading to them being "always online".
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:19:00 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @sun@shitposter.world I don't think video games are even that addictive when compared to proprietary recommendation algorithms.
     
     There's a lot more people addicted to these things (a lot of them without even realizing they have a problem) than there are people addicted to video games.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:19:37 JST SuperDicq

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     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world Most GNU/Linux distros are also not free software.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:22:26 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me In the Netherlands 60% of all teenagers have a TikTok account. The average teenager in the Netherlands uses TikTok at least 2 hours per day.

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:28:16 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     I do think he fediverse should be without NSFW tags. If you logged in, that's your problem, not mine.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:29:44 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me Imagine if they were given a computer with free software instead and all of them spend at least 2 hours a day hacking, programming or making art instead.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:31:16 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @SuperDicq @phnt @sun Yeah but I find that irrelevant, specially when it's about mere policies instead of ongoing efforts / audits where they can actually say that they are clean.
     
     Like imagine if GNU Social would have had to strip out the addictive mechanisms (like "likes/favorites") that they document for Facebook/Twitter.
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     I think kids should have access to the internet, but only with a 14.4k modem over dial up. They should have to work to get their porn just like I had to when I was a child.
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     milkposter (themilkman@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:31:34 JST milkposter

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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt i am not Advocating for Age Verification, but realistically kids are going to be in contact to computers a lot nevertheless, and a lot of Parents are still uneducated about it.
     
     it's like blaming people for dying from the black plague when they had no way of knowing how to do treatment or prevent it.
     
     i always advocated for Devices having good Parent Control Services that are clear, intuitive, and Schools making parents aware of them and how to use them.
     
     also, a sane default DNS setting on the Router OOTB which blocks a lot of Adult content Websites would be a good start too
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     milkposter (themilkman@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:31:35 JST milkposter

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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt besides pedophiles and the obviously developmentally dangerous content.
     
     a lot of Content and topics that seems alright at first glance can be pretty harmful long way, responsible adults have the foresight and intuition to not talk about certain topics to kids, that adults can handle from experience no problem.
     
     like for example talk anything politics, kids will just internalise things way too much, "[party] is completely incompetent, their mismanagement is gonna end up people rotting in the streets", a kid would take that statement and think to themself "when im gonna grow up, (literally) everyone will be homeless including me and i will die that way".
     
     i include Teens in this, while not as extreme, they don't have an understanding to the complexities of how Societies or Politics works, to us it's just an expression, but to someone young it could leave quite the shock.
     
     If someone here makes a statement about going out Drinking, and obviously has a Drinking problem they and everyone are aware of, and a kid sees it, they could start thinking "it's totally okay to go drinking a lot! adults (who the kid perceives as responsible) do it!!", now the kid won't be going to the liquor store and getting a JD immedietly, but it does leave an impression, which if it goes unchallenged up to adulthood could increase the chances of an Alcohol problem.
     
     if you want People to be Free to talk about the Topics they want to (either legally, or morally, since they would be aware that kids are very likely to see what they type), then Kids have to go to Kids spaces, and Adults go to their Adult spaces.
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     milkposter (themilkman@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:31:57 JST milkposter

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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt but they don't wanna do that for the unironic reason that it's boring.
     
     and who can blame them, growing up our educational institutions taught us inadvertently that learning is always work who nobody wants to do.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:32:04 JST SuperDicq

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     @themilkman@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org No, that's not minors think at all. They are people too just like you and me. They also do not look at the world in this oversimplified way as you describe it.
     
     While some skills might be underdeveloped due to lack of experiences, you still have to learn by interacting with the real world.
     
     Actually I think it is harmful. Shielding someone from everything until they are 18 makes them completely unprepared for adult life.

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     @themilkman @phnt @SuperDicq Yeah, those would be the sensible measures, specially as in the case of porn, it's not illegal to have a list of them so it can be copied in massive lists (ublock has some) and included by default in routers/phones/…
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     @sun @SuperDicq @phnt @lanodan the line between child abuse and discipline
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:45:09 JST SuperDicq

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     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world Likes and favorites are not the issue. It is only the digital equivalent of giving someone a compliment.
     
     Recommendation algorithms by itself are also not the problem.
     
     It is specifically the proprietary recommendation algorithm which is the issue. A free recommendation algorithm would be fine, because it does what the user wants.
     
     Proprietary software never does what is best for the user, but it only does what is best for whoever owns it.
     
     They specifically tune these proprietary recommendation algorithms to be as addictive as possible all while putting the lowest effort slop they can get away with at the top so they make the maximum amount of money for the least amount of effort.

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     milkposter (themilkman@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Jul-2025 20:46:39 JST milkposter

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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt
     >They are people too just like you and me. They also do not look at the world in this oversimplified way as you describe it.
     
     they are people without a doubt, and i always tell people kids are very smart.
     i have a 9 year old sister who i spent all her life with, i saw her grow and all her life played an important part for her.
     
     Minors always want to act Adult, they can do something responsible every now and then.
     but they don't have that complete frame of reference.
     
     they will try to grasp it, but somethings just need time, because they don't have that, if i tell a young (around 5) kid about how clocks work when they are too young, i will get questions of "what, why?" because they are missing a lot of core knowledge to get the deeper nuance of why Time works like that, how the earth moves.
     
     Teens are obviously more knowledgeable, but most of them they still are not at that level at all to understand it.
     
     >While some skills might be underdeveloped due to lack of experiences, you still have to learn by interacting with the real world.
     
     >Actually I think it is harmful. Shielding someone from everything until they are 18 makes them completely unprepared for adult life.
     
     yeah which is what being a parent means, you don't teach your kid about how to hitchhike by just throwin them straight into some wilderness disattached to general society, they will prolly "learn", the hard and painful way that is, and develop a few lifelong trauma as well, if they make it out that is.
     
     you teach them, guide through them, slowly introduce them new things bit by bit until they can start learning by themselves to develop experience by themselves.
     
     for example if they see a dead animal you have to be there for them as a voice of reason and assurance, to understand how to take it in as a sad part of everyday life.
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     @themilkman@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org you teach them, guide through them, slowly introduce them new things bit by bit until they can start learning by themselves to develop experience by themselves.I mean yes I agree. You don't just give your children a shitposter.world account or something and throw them into the fediverse without any explanation or supervision.
     
     That would be a failure of parenting. But I don't think that's something we, as admins, should aim to prevent from happening by introducing age verification or whatever. We're not a fucking daycare.

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     @SuperDicq @phnt @sun The only reason I gave those as examples is because it's what's on https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-addictions.html#social-networks
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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @sun Brb, writing a recommendation algorithm for Pleroma that does exactly what the user doesn't want.
     
     Also favorites and repeats are an addictive feature, and most importantly an opinion shifting feature on platforms with recommendation algorithms of any kind. People will naturally do what is more popular in a social context and favorites and repeats are a measure of popularity. Not to mention great dopamine sources for some.
     
     Off-topic: Recommending algorithms aren't always the issue, the people are. Take the shitty Twitter algorithm that promotes drama and dunking on people, take people that do those same things, put them on Mastodon and the result will be the same.
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     @p @sun @phnt @SuperDicq Well TCP/IP isn't what's harmful, it's not the tool that's harmful, it's a lot of the users.
     
     Like how cars are great but a lot of drivers are horribly dangerous.
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     The internet is a tool. It's not the tool that's harmful but how you use it. You can hit yourself with a hammer but you probably shouldn't
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     @phnt @SuperDicq @sun
     > and the result will be the same
     
     Can confirm it's the same, and you've probably seen it too, like if you think of the most stereotypically annoying mastodon user, it's likely twitter behavior.
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     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world You should note that all the things mentioned here are only considered malware if the user can't disable or remove these features.

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @sun@shitposter.world Recommending algorithms aren't always the issue
     Names example of people who are influenced by a proprietary recommendation algorithmAren't you proving my point?

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     @SuperDicq @phnt @sun Which IIRC on Gnu Social users (which shouldn't just be service operators) you can't disable.
     
     And notably for notifications it puts "These triggers are often opt-out, and many users don't try to turn them off." so it effectively should have been changed into an opt-in.
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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @sun Yes and no, I'm saying that Mastodon has the exact same issues that Twitter has and had while having no recommendation algorithm at all. The drama culture of Twitter isn't thanks to the algorithm that promotes it, but it's created by the people that use Twitter.
     
     In other words, if you removed the algorithm from Twitter, the bigger picture wouldn't change.
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     @phnt @SuperDicq @sun I think there's still one bit to be taken, addiction modifies how you brain works, it's shit that takes an awful long time and likely even active work against it.
     
     It's not like a status effect that you'd have in a video game. Or in a way, don't mix being drunk/sober and being an alcoholic.
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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @sun@shitposter.world I think if you removed the proprietary algorithm from Twitter you wouldn't change anything overnight, but I definitely think it will change over a long enough timeframe. Anyone who used has Twitter before 2010 or so knows this is true.
     
     I also see this with people who are switching from proprietary social media to the Fediverse. Initially they will act the same as they did on there, because that's all they know.
     
     But if they actually stay around for long enough they will usually change their behavior in such a way that it actually appeals to people and not to a proprietary algorithm.

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     @lanodan @SuperDicq @sun I have not seen this as I'm basically severed from most of the Mastodon side by their choice (I can't fetch half of the posts you reply to), but I have seen the effects of it while lurking tags on mastosoc.
     
     My favorite is probably a guy that migrate in 2021 from Twitter to Mastodon, that made a long post about this on FediMeta (or similar), saying almost the same thing I said and exclusively getting dunked on in the replies for being a horrible person, etc etc.
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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt yeah, which i agree with, which is why it's important for kids to not be able to access these sites.
     
     nobody likes the UKs OSA, i am not advocating for that, good sane defaults on routers is my opinion here.
     
     Verification should always be Local, websites have no way of knowing whether someone should or shouldn't be there, so if someone shouldn't be there, they have blocks on their system (parental controls) or preferrably, just router default settings
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     @themilkman@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org Personally I wouldn't restrict the internet on my router if I had children. But that's not something I really want to argue against if that's something you wish to do.
     
     You should be able to raise your children in your way using your own parenting style (to certain limits to prevent child abuse obviously).
     
     But if you're trying to force the entire world to comply with your style of parenting you can fuck off.

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     @SuperDicq @phnt @themilkman Kind of a massive gap between "routers/phones should feature blocks and probably have it configured by default (or say asked at setup time)" and "force the entire world to comply with your style of parenting".
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     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @themilkman@shitposter.world Nothing should be blocked by default in my opinion. If you provide a default blocklist you're kind of coercing others into your way of thinking. But it's still acceptable if it can be turned off.

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     @SuperDicq @phnt @themilkman Also that UK OSA ordeal really gives me PMRC vibes (board which would randomly label stuff "Parental Advisory Explicit Content" with no information why).
     And I'm entirely on the Frank Zappa side of things on that one, having enough tools/information for parents, but not having a control body that says whether something should be restricted or not.
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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt no restriction, just a change to where you have the router come out of the box with a toggle to block adult websites, all you would have to do is just log in it and turn it off.
     
     >But if you're trying to force the entire world to comply with your style of parenting you can fuck off.
     
     negligence is abuse with negative consequences, as with all things bad in the world, they will still happen, but taking measures so that the negative consequences of it can be minimized regardless without having it affect someones freedom, then that is a good thing overall.
     
     there is never perfect parenting, some parents can afford to let their kids have a lot of freedom without it causing harm, because they can compensate with it by having taught them good self-control and forward thinking, depending on the kid the parent will have to parent differently, being too protective of kids will also cause harm in many ways, whether it is social difficulties or anxiety
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     @themilkman@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org just a change to where you have the router come out of the box with a toggle to block adult websites, all you would have to do is just log in it and turn it off.You make something is really subjective and complicated sound oversimplified. What are adult websites? That depends heavily on who you ask.
     
     That's why I think no default blocklists, and having to make your own is better.

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     @themilkman @phnt @SuperDicq And well could require the ability to put exceptions, which is what the vast majority of implementations using blocklists already do.
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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt
     >What are adult websites? That depends heavily on who you ask.
     
     the widely agreed upon definition, content that has any Adult Content as the forefront, Websites which could go into non-educational-use of Sexual Content, Violence, Drug Abuse yadda yadda.
     
     this wouldn't be the entire thing on it's own, good Parental Education, Safety Tools on the Devices, and Parenting would complete that, it would just make one of the many tools parents have at their disposal.
     
     most Parents are not gonna search up some github page to get just the right Blocklist.txt, they just want one that would strike most of the boxes people agree on is "not good for children generally"
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     @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world I'm not saying that.

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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt @sun
     >thankfully there are no man-made horrors within or beyond the scope of human comprehension on Fedi
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     @dagda @SuperDicq @lanodan @themilkman Companies rarely touch *-WRT. pfSense and OPNsense are much more used for valid reasons. What I would like more is the same but for adblocking and phishing. Of course you can buy DNS services like that, but an in-house solution could be good. The issue with that is as usual Active Directory needing to be the main internal DNS and configuring it to use the second DNS for external domains. Certainly doable though.
     
     And since I can already hear the "don't use proprietary software" voices, for small companies with a few employees, you don't need AD, but when you reach 50 and beyond, it starts to make a lot of sense. Try managing over 50 devices without central authority, have fun.
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     @themilkman @phnt @SuperDicq @lanodan I think pre-configured open-WRT routers with harsh impenetrable blocklists pre-installed and also updated would be a great free software project with commercial potential for small to mid size companies
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     @phnt @SuperDicq @dagda @themilkman And I'd be kind of surprised if something like RedHat doesn't have an AD-equivalent (IIRC OpenSolaris did, forgot the name).
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     @lanodan @SuperDicq @dagda @themilkman Of course they have something. It's called IdM (based on freeIPA) and lets you do something similar to what AD does but on servers instead (minus the configuration which is usually done with Ansible). If you really want, you can also AD domain join RHEL servers, but that serves little use unless you need to access resources that run on Windows. They also have OpenStack for managing virtualized hosts in a private "cloud".
     
     But where AD is very useful is for clients (laptops/computers used by employees) and nothing else can provide that since everyone uses Windows for that.
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     @sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party @newt@stereophonic.space @phnt@fluffytail.org These laws do nothing to curb the proprietary software companies that develop VRChat and Roblox.

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     @SuperDicq @newt @phnt if you look at the vrchat and roblox community you'll understand why these half baked laws exist.

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     @sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party @newt@stereophonic.space @phnt@fluffytail.org Obviously children shouldn't be in charge of doing everything themselves just like they aren't doing that in real life. Ever heard of parental supervision?
     
     What would fix the problem according to you then?

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     >If it was free software you wouldn't have to deal with their moderators and you would simply moderate your own version properly without underpaid workers from foreign countries that do not understand local cultural norms.

     That's a whole lot to ask for with kids online, and it doesn't fix the problem when the fedi has a "pediverse" reputation in some circles.

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     @sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party @newt@stereophonic.space @phnt@fluffytail.org No, the problem is it being proprietary software. This is always the main problem for anything you don't want in software.
     
     If it was free software you wouldn't have to deal with their moderators and you would simply moderate your own version properly without underpaid workers from foreign countries that do not understand local cultural norms.

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     @SuperDicq @newt @phnt source code doesn't matter when the people are the same. Just look at the fedi servers that get blocked for posting you know...

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     @SuperDicq @newt @phnt Also the problem with VRC/Roblox isn't the source code. It's the moderation/staff. It could be FOSS or have a FOSS code drop like LJ did back in the day and it wouldn't change jack shit.

     You can't run a major platform, especially one loaded with kids, when you outsourced your moderation to AI or India/Africa/similar where the jannies have no idea of cultural norms.

     Roblox outsourced its moderation to India (this is documented) and you just know that some of the same shit goes on with these other services. It's worse when mods get outed as being "in on it". They literally let so much shit fly on their services, and in the case of Roblox, only did something when people discovered an EU report form that actually got results as opposed to the placebo reporting of the rest of the world.

     That's not getting into the fact that the internet is vastly more sexualized than it was 10-15 years ago, and it was getting bad then.

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     @kirby@fsebugoutzone.org @sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party @newt@stereophonic.space @phnt@fluffytail.org What I would imagine is that if your child wanted to play Roblox you would just set up your own Roblox server at home where your child can play Roblox together with his friends. So you can keep an eye on them and moderate it, like a parent should.

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     @sendpaws @SuperDicq @newt @phnt "it is not easy to replicate the roblox tech stack? What does that mean?"
     
     last i checked the easiest way to distribute a roblox game client was by supplying your own game binary and applying patches to it to remove all of the security checks that make sure you can't inject decals from scrotum.business. admittedly, the free software argument DOES work here. it would be so much more convenient if the source code was just out there under a decent license and we just had to avoid using trademarks.
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     @sendpaws @phnt @SuperDicq @newt roblox moderation is just, an empty office room. That has been well known for perhaps a decade or more, I remember reports just not working by 2017.
     
     It's not like private servers are much better though, the types of people attracted to roblox are kids and the only people hosting private servers are 16 year old edgelords who love giving out remote access trojans. And even with free software alternatives that will probably always be the case, it is not easy to replicate the roblox tech stack
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     @kirby @phnt @SuperDicq @newt remember when that financial firm did a report on Roblox that basically could be boiled down to four words: "Ruben Sim Was Right"?

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     @SuperDicq @newt @phnt @sendpaws actually just look at the old roblox community in general private servers for roblox have been a fucking disaster and I'm glad they're basically dead
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     @SuperDicq @newt @phnt @sendpaws >>>>>>>he doesn't know about finobe
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     @kirby@fsebugoutzone.org @sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party @newt@stereophonic.space @phnt@fluffytail.org But this is not possible using Roblox, because it is proprietary.
     
     So if you're a parent I recommend setting up your a Launti server for your children instead.

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     @kirby@fsebugoutzone.org @newt@stereophonic.space @phnt@fluffytail.org @sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party Children shouldn't be engaging with digital money anyways.

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     @SuperDicq @newt @phnt @sendpaws there are already projects out there that do that sort of thing, just for comically old versions of roblox

     though roblox largely works off being an mmorpg and letting you get digital money

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     @kirby@fsebugoutzone.org @newt@stereophonic.space @phnt@fluffytail.org @sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party Games are for entertainment, not for making money.

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     @kirby@fsebugoutzone.org @newt@stereophonic.space @phnt@fluffytail.org @sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party Yeah I wouldn't want my theoritical children to be jacked into the digital metaverse dystopia.
     
     They wil instead be having fun killing zombies and mining diamonds in Luanti/VoxeLibre instead.

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     @SuperDicq @newt @phnt @sendpaws i agree but it's 2025 and people treat video games like entire universes or some shit now. no thanks to mark, man
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