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Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 21:52:02 JST Shadowman311

Electric vehicle people be like "yeah this new EV is pretty cheap, about $90,000 not including taxes" and then wonder why no one is buying them

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  Codeki :njp: (codeki@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 22:09:11 JST Codeki :njp:
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  @TeaTootler @Shadowman311 Unless you're in North Dakota or Minnesota in which case it's $20,000 battery replacement in 2 years. . .
  
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  you should buy a fumo (teatootler@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 22:09:12 JST you should buy a fumo
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  @Shadowman311 Plus high cost of electricity and $20,000 battery replacement in 6 years
  
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  you should buy a fumo (teatootler@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 22:10:01 JST you should buy a fumo
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  @Codeki @Shadowman311 and another small fortune in charging to keep the battery heated all night long
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 22:19:33 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @eee @snappler @TeaTootler @Codeki @Shadowman311 Look at how reactive a lithium AA is (13.5mm x 49.2mm) in video below. The 2170 cells common in electric cars are substantially larger (21mm x 70mm) than that, analogous to a D-battery. There are 2,976 battery cells (2170) in a standard range model 3. It's not an exaggeration to think of these things as a major security threat because of the potential to turn them into self-igniting 4,000 degree hellfire on wheels with extremely basic tools. I like hybrid tech and electric motors, but these huge battery banks don't sit well with me.
  
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  snap (snappler@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 22:19:34 JST snap
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  @eee @TeaTootler @Codeki @Shadowman311 But at least you're saving the environment
  >lithium extraction turns the earth into a hellmouth
  
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  eee (eee@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 22:19:34 JST eee
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  @snappler @TeaTootler @Codeki @Shadowman311 it has less moving parts and doesnt need to be serviced!
  
  >tires burn out faster
  >electronics problems result in fires
  
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  eee (eee@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 22:19:35 JST eee
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  @TeaTootler @Codeki @Shadowman311 woops too much EV charging
  here's load shedding
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 22:30:09 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @jeffcliff @Codeki @Shadowman311 @TeaTootler We haven't had any vehicle that costs $8,000 new in like 30 years. I know Canada has problems with immigrant scab labor schemes and nepotistic understand, but the American Midwest has been absolutely shit on for like 50 years. Lower cost of living and wages, but they pay the same outrageous price for meme vehicles because they, like all of us, are ruled by cosmopolitan sociopathic assholes from coastal areas.
  
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  Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 22:30:10 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
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  This whole thread is FUD. minnesota / north dakota don't have it worse than saskatchewan and none of the EV owners i know have had to do this. If it's 90k$ it's because of the damn trump tariffs. "Cheap" EVs are like the Seagull (at ~8000$ usd)
  
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  Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 22:56:52 JST Shadowman311
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  @YeetLibs That would be tolerable if you could self repair but OH WAIT YOU CAN'T
  
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  :amespin: :niggy_dab: yeet :pogfish: :ina_hammer: :awoodance: (yeetlibs@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 22:56:53 JST :amespin: :niggy_dab: yeet :pogfish: :ina_hammer: :awoodance:
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  @Shadowman311 >vital components last 3 years
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 22:57:32 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @Shadowman311 @YeetLibs more than that, electric motor components are difficult to repair even if you could.
  
  Rewinding even a simple motor is difficult without specialized tools. ( Not that it couldn't change )
  
  Additionally, the electronics part is a nightmare. If you have any appliances and the electronics fail, it's almost always easier to buy a new one than replace the circuit board. Which is stupid.
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:06:22 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @Escoffier @Shadowman311 @YeetLibs I mean, the hilarious thing is .. you had electric carriages before you had ICE ones. They quickly switched because who wanted to carry around a ton of lead acid batteries.
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:06:23 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @sickburnbro @Shadowman311 @YeetLibs I saw an interesting meme suggesting that if the creation of EV's and ICE engines were reversed the ICE engine would have seemed like a revelation. And of course there were electric engines early on im not sure why they weren't adopted but I would imagine it might be some of the same reasons as today
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:10:12 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @vonzeppelin @Escoffier @Shadowman311 @YeetLibs I've said before: people get very caught up on petroleum fuels - ultimately what you are looking for is an energy source, be it a chemical battery, a mega-cap, gasoline or even a hydrogen fuel cell.
  
  Ultimately distilled petroleum is a very nice energy source for things that carry more than maybe 100lb, because of easy of refueling, energy density and ease of converting the energy to mechanical.
  
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  Count Von Zeppelin (vonzeppelin@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:10:13 JST Count Von Zeppelin
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  @Escoffier @sickburnbro @Shadowman311 @YeetLibs batteries are the weak link right now and have been for a while. they're inferior to petroleum fuels in basically every way you can think of
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:12:27 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @vonzeppelin @Escoffier @Shadowman311 @YeetLibs For things like power tools, they've always been electric, because ICE never made sense. So all you've done is ditch the cord.
  
  They are trying to push electric into yard tools, and it's still a hard sell. I tried a cordless blower and it became an irritating game of battery jockey.
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:20:59 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @Escoffier @CrustyBurgerhead @Shadowman311 @YeetLibs I mean, it's probably true. Women are, in general, terrified of machines and how they work.
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:21:00 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @CrustyBurgerhead @Shadowman311 @YeetLibs @sickburnbro Ironically I see modern EV's the same way today
  
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  CrustyB (crustyburgerhead@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:21:01 JST CrustyB
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  EVs in the early 1900s were seen as ladies' cars.
  
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  cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:52:44 JST cjd
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  I don't hate electric cars, I think they're cool. I might even buy one, when they figure out how to make them last 20 years and be comparably priced to a normal car...
  
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  eee (eee@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:52:45 JST eee
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  @BowsacNoodle @snappler @TeaTootler @Codeki @Shadowman311 bus bars inside the battery packs themselves can melt, too
  lots of fun stuff can go wrong
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:55:54 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @cjd @Codeki @Shadowman311 @TeaTootler @eee @snappler I can appreciate when the downstream effects of things I don't like are actually favorable. Affordable EVs and battery tech is one of those.
  
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  cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:55:56 JST cjd
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  (before anyone takes this out of context, no, actually I don't hope that anyone will force anything on anyone, it's more of a joke)
  
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  cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 23:55:57 JST cjd
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  I actually hope California will make them mandatory
  Because I don't live anywhere near California
  And if they do then economies of scale will make them more competitive where I do live...
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jun-2025 01:24:54 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @cjd @Codeki @Shadowman311 @TeaTootler @eee @snappler You're probably right that it would be appropriate to get ICE in specific small areas, but we all know this will be abused to punish normal people and White rural people who want to live a more "modern traditionalist" lifestyle. Likely it will be weaponized against the suburbs where people moved to get away from crime but needed an ICE vehicle to handle the commute.
  
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  cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jun-2025 01:24:55 JST cjd
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  The existence of EVs at all is downstream of phone addiction...
  
  To add a little nuance to my position, I do think banning internal combustion may be appropriate in specific areas where air pollution is a massive health problem (certain cities which have very little wind).
  
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