mattl
Does anyone have *any* of those. online "learn programming" type things they like and would actually recommend?
I've not been a professional software developer for well over a decade, and the last code I wrote other than my own personal stuff was mostly just fixing up other people's HTML/CSS/JS, not starting from scratch.
Hoping for something that doesn't shove AI slop at me, and ideally something for either Ruby or PHP.
I've tried boot.dev -- it's fun, but Python and AI slop in places now.
mattl
@ross That fits. I think I may have already done one (my previous job had lots of Laravel developers, although I'm not using Laravel for my new project) but I will check it out again. Thank you.
Ross Wintle
@mattl There should be a free PHP course at laracasts.com all taught by humans. Does that fit?
mattl
@efi Isn't Godot a game engine?
The thing I've tried (boot dot dev) is for Python, I have no idea what the state of Python web frameworks is like these days but I did Zope for a good number of years and then much later some Django.
Efi (nap pet) 🦊💤
@mattl if you like python, try the python manual itself
it is pretty well written
if you want something simpler you could try Godot
its scripts are similar to php, if the syntax is not the same (no $ on variables, no . vs -> etc)
or maybe just javascript, it's a very complete language since ES6
Billy Smith
Founders And Coders may have some suggestions:
mattl
@BillySmith Looks like that's in person (and in London) and AI slop in there too, sadly.
mattl
@efi So I already have a project in PHP with 400,000-ish users, but I've done a bit of Ruby lately and enjoy it.
What does writing Python for web stuff look like without a framework? Is that just mod_python?
Efi (nap pet) 🦊💤
@mattl oh, if you're looking specifically for web development, javascript for the frontend (and some use it in the backend), and python in the backend is a good combo
I don't know much about Django, but if you just want some data crunching, python is plenty without a framework
it really depends on your project needs
Billy Smith
Sorry about the AI slop.
I'll have a word with them about that... :|
Yes, it's in-person, and, it's based in London, but they had some great remote options during the UK lockdowns, and those should still be running.
It's why they had a lot more international students taking part.
mattl
@BillySmith Hm, I didn't see in-person stuff but I'll be honest I saw "AI" and closed the tab.
Billy Smith
Just saw that they are now getting UK government funding to teach Machine Learning systems... :|
And the remote options are no longer listed... :|
I'll have to stop recommending them. :(
mattl
@BillySmith I appreciate the response anyway.
Some day I will make it back to the UK.
Billy Smith
If i find any other sources, i'll let you know. :D
mattl
@ryan Yeah, I just closed Libre.fm to new registrations after 16 years and 375,000 users. Trying to think about what to do next.
ryan
Start a project! The only way to learn to write software that serves a real purpose is to work on a project that serves a real purpose that you actually care about!
mattl
@stinerman I wish. I’m certainly not the best developer but I know a lot of stuff that they’re likely not teaching anyone anymore.
Nathan A. Stine
@mattl re: not being a pro software developer, this is interesting to me because I have this belief that anyone who has a hobby project on GitHub, etc. is an architect-level developer who could walk into most dev shops and name their salary.
mattl
@ericg Nice. I just let them know their TLS cert expired.
Eric G.
@mattl I think rubymonk.com is still cool if a bit dated.
mattl
Aaron :apple_inc: :isles:
@mattl @robb Udemy is really good and many libraries and institutions offer access. It’s how I learned Cypress and the instructor was fantastic.
mattl
@clew Web dev for me
clew
There are a bunch of interesting books building learn-to-code around another interest — cryptography or robotics or game dev or?
Some of them probably have online parts to save you typing-in. @mattl
mattl
If we’re going to have a chance at a life without Gen AI we need to start finding the best resources online and pointing people at them.
Makes me very happy we have Wikipedia but do we need anything else?
clayote
@mattl I quite liked my time with an earlier edition of Think Python https://greenteapress.com/wp/think-python-3rd-edition/
And I got jobs writing it
AI-free due to seniority.
mattl
@clayote Sounds interesting. Thank you!
mattl
@clayote "Thanks to the Free Software Foundation for developing the GNU Free Documentation
License, which helped make my collaboration with Jeff and Chris possible, and Creative
Commons for the license I am using now." is quite the quote for the introduction.
mattl
I am really enjoying exercism.org — there is optional AI slop but only if you donate…?
mattl
clayote
@mattl Everybody should start editing their area of expertise at @Curlie
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