@weeble@ElDeadKennedy@jorgaborg I just saw a video talking about r/comics vendetta against someone posting a random lazy AI generated comic and the subreddit going fucking nuclear about it
In the comments, the pro-artists... Not that I'm against artist, I love art, but realistically, I'm not getting what I want... But I digress... Most of the "pro-artists/anti-AI" side were just going around calling people lazy, what a fucking asshole argument
Like legit, if I commissionned every single AI pic I was mildly satisfied with, I would have had to spend like 100 000$+... But realistically, I couldn't even, I have very specific artstyle requirements and they're not being met, ever. I just want my fucking Aikatsu Friends! artprint to put on my wall man, I'd actually pay for it, but good luck finding an artist that can fucking make it happen
Man, I'd fucking love to be able to draw it myself, but ever since I was 4 I hated drawing, I hated putting lines and it's ugly as shit. I was never able to learn, most materials seems to hinge on the fact that you can actually doodle a minimum and nobody was ever willing to teach me. I don't have any immediate talent and...
Look, I love these comics, let's, Whomp! and The Oatmeal. The Oatmeal has a simplistic artstyle and it's nice for it. Realistically, I could probably learn to draw like that, but here's the thing, I don't want to draw that, I want to draw what I'm generating, and the time and effort it would take to get there, to reach a professional level of drawing to the level I'd be satisfied with it... Man... Man, it's not happening...
-Spend 10 years learning how to draw like a master so I can put penises on anime girls, a magnificent use of my time I'm sure. That is, if I'm ever able to draw this good at all
-Paying commissions? Look, I couldn't even get a single fucking artist who could draw like the anime Aikatsu artstyle for a specific commission, why the fuck would I even bother with this? I have included pic related with #NovelAi. I can shit out that much in 2 mins. That's realistically like 500$ worth of commission right there, where can I get an artist that can draw just like the official anime oshi no ko artstyle AND would be willing to do it? Realistically, that'd be tough, and expensive. Popular skilled artists on the Internet has 0 fucking incentive to actually draw like x specific artstyle at your request. Or I can spent 30$ and do this all month all I want, all nsfw, no restrictions and give her a gigantic penis if I really wanted and I'm not gonna be hearing the artist going "Man, I don't really do that kind of thing"
@coolboymew@weeble but I have noticed the intensity of the futaposting has decreased; may this be related with the arrival of spring and warmer days in Canada?
@koimoa@ElDeadKennedy@weeble@jorgaborg because any fucking idiot can workout, jog and carry weights and would have at least a minimum of health benefits after 6 months of just 30 mins or so daily-ish even if no significant muscles appears
The big question is: Will I ever be able to draw like I want it to, and how long would it even take to reach that level where I'm not embarrassed to post a picture online
This is significantly fucking different
You can jog nicely enough after a couples of week. You can't do this with drawing
@koimoa@ElDeadKennedy@jorgaborg@weeble also realistically, the skill would bring me absolutely nothing good whatsoever at this point, I cannot change career and I am sure as hell not going back to college/uni either
@coolboymew@shitposter.world@jorgaborg@brain.worm.pink@weeble@fedi.bungle.online@ElDeadKennedy@shitposter.world ngl I don't get this logic. You spend time lifting weights and working out yeah? you do it because you want to improve yourself and you go in knowing that it takes a lot of time and that none of these gains happen overnight. Why do you not have this mindset with creating art? It ain't a out being the greatest Artemis that ever lived, it's about making something with your own hands and seeing the improvementa thar come with it. I would have thought you'd see it similarly to working out
@coolboymew@koimoa@weeble@hj@ElDeadKennedy few years. it’s a good thing to dedicate time to, though. my art’s been improving dramatically as i’ve started using references and shit
@hj@koimoa@jorgaborg@weeble@ElDeadKennedy I would not, not in this thread at least, because I'm trying my hardest to not be extremely mean here, but the thing is, this is nowhere near the level of art I want to create and I'd be extremely frustrated to be producing that
@hj@koimoa@jorgaborg@weeble@ElDeadKennedy Already covered that in detailed above, I have art style standards and specifics that are never getting met and no online artists that has the skills to meet them are going to do it
If I want an aikatsu poster made to put on my wall, I want it to look exactly like the anime style, the amount of western reachable artists that could do this much and would actually do it is insanely low to such a level you can say that you would never get that
@hj@ElDeadKennedy@jorgaborg@koimoa@weeble In end the argument is basically the assholeish "Bro, just give your money to artists, give your money, GIVE IT" with no regards to how annoying and impossible it is to properly comission something. Could I commission something vague from an artist I like? Hell yeah, but would I be able to do this very specific commission that actually requires skills? Hell no
So the commissioning artists argument instead of using AI is basic, shitty, and obviously fucking expensive and you are N E V E R getting that complicated commission because they have 0 incentive to fulfil it in any ways when they can just do vague commission on their artstyle
@coolboymew@koimoa@jorgaborg@weeble@ElDeadKennedy it's not the AI, Commision or DIY being the point here. It's your insane capriciousness - you MUST have it done like this, with this style, with these features, etc.
Here's a joke: a coolboymew walks into a diner, asks for a burger, starts elaborating on how burger must be made: exact details which cow must be butchered for the meat, which brand of grinder to use, how many seconds patty must be grilled on each side, asks them to remove the onions, add more cucumbers but only ones from specific province, which type of bread to use. The cook interrupts him and says "sir, please leave - we're about to close"
@hj@koimoa@jorgaborg@weeble@ElDeadKennedy Why wouldn't I be capricious? I know damn well what it's gonna cost me man, I'm not gambling away 300-500$ on something that may, very probably, turns out badly
That's a lot of fucking money to throw out of the fucking window, I'm not rich dude, I can't gamble 500$ for shit and giggles
@coolboymew@jorgaborg@weeble@ElDeadKennedy I'm gonna learn to draw and I'm still gonna look forward to having my own machines generate anime tits because for me it's all about the result
@coolboymew@SK1ZM@weeble@Silverwolf@ElDeadKennedy Is that why they are called that? I thought it was because of the word "futari" which is "together" (as far as I know, I don't actually speak Jap).
@weeble@ElDeadKennedy@jorgaborg the problem is that it's impossible, I cannot even commission what I want, so the "just commission it bro" is not even an argument
It is a valuable skill and acting like you deserve to have free access to coomslop wall scrolls is retarded. Especially a style as detailed as most anime. (Dont see the appeal in wanting to copy a style verbatim for each series but yeah)
I don't care when it's personal meme shit but trying to become pass as an "AI comic artist" and being mad you got shit on is dumb.
>There are artists who specialize in mimicking a style.
Very little, most of them don't commission, the one that do told me "Oh, I don't do backgrounds"
There we go, no commission despite me wanting to pay for it
>You have super autist tastes and thats fine, but it's still YOUR imposed problem
No, it's just the reality of the thing. I don't want it to somewhat looks like Aikatsu, I want an Aikatsu commission so I want it to fucking look like Aikatsu. It's a massive issue in that the actually commissionnable artists in the west are generally not very good in anime styles, so you'd have to go to someone that particularly mimicks it... And the people that ARE good in anime style are artstyle locked, popular and usually behind Patreon raffles and would have 0 incentives to fulfil my requests or perhaps be so fucking expensive it's not worth it (I'm not paying a 1000$ for this) AND I don't speak Japanese
I'm acting like I'm a "victim" because the general opinion around this is unrealistic, assholeish and fucking garbage. Realistically, AI is the closest to delivering what I want, but alas, not enough data on the characters specific costumes to go on
Again Idk why you care so much about mimicking the anime style in particular since it usually looks flatter than the manga anyway. (Creator art vs animation in-between mimicking and streamlining)
You have super autist tastes and thats fine, but it's still YOUR imposed problem.
I've wanted commissions of my character in the splatoon artstyle and it's hard cuz the artists are either expensive or not quite as accurate. I could choose literally any artist but I wanna be picky.
No one is forcing you to use AI but yourself and acting like you're a victim for it is dumb.
@weeble@ElDeadKennedy@jorgaborg I'm NOT getting that commission, that's the entire fucking problem! I don't want joe nobody's artstyle, I want it to be in the Aikatsu artstyle
This is a problem you created and are responsible for. You're not a victim because you have to pay 500$ and wait in a month long queue to get 1:1 recreation of some love live girl with triple H cups.
You're as much a victim as the wonderbread guy is.
@coolboymew@jorgaborg@weeble@ElDeadKennedy >Spend 10 years learning how to draw like a master so I can put penises on anime girls, a magnificent use of my time I'm sure.
@weeble@koimoa@ElDeadKennedy@jorgaborg No the point is that it's not a useful skill to learn at 35 with a standard this sky high just so I can put dicks on anime chicks. I don't want to make comics, I don't want to make this or that either