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   Lykanthrocide (lykanthrocide@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 18-May-2025 11:17:18 JST Lykanthrocide

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   I was challenged recently on the translation to which I subscribe of Revelation 1:6. I hold to the KJV and YLT which both say "kings and priests" as opposed to the more (and more recently) popular "kingdom of priests" or "kingdom, priests". In comparing Rev. 1:6 with 5:10 and thr phrasibg of 1 Peter 2:9, the passage is clearly suggesting we, Christians, are given both ruling and sacerdotal authority and responsibility. Thus, "kings and priests" is appropriate and not to be dismissed as a proper translation.
   
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     ?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 18-May-2025 11:17:17 JST ?uper?nekFriend ?

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     @lykanthrocide @BowsacNoodle @King_Noticer @SuperLutheran @flux_the_cat
     βασιλείαν does not mean "kings" as in the person of rulership; in fact, the noun is not plural in the verse. This configuration is consistent among the manuscripts. The modern translation of "kingdom, priests" is correct.
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     Lykanthrocide (lykanthrocide@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 18-May-2025 11:43:23 JST Lykanthrocide

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     Yeah, I understand that, but translating it as "kingdom" implies that we are merely the subjects when the other passages I cited suggest we have a measure of royal authority and responsibility.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 18-May-2025 11:53:06 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @lykanthrocide @King_Noticer @SuperLutheran @SuperSnekFriend @flux_the_cat Douay Rheims has kingdom of priests as well.
     Rev 5:9-10 (DRB)
     >And they sung a new canticle, saying: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to take the book, and to open the seals thereof; because thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God, in thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation. >10And hast made us to our God a kingdom and priests, and we shall reign on the earth.
     
     Rev 20:6 in KJV (and very similar in every other translation) support the notion of priest but also the word "reigning" is used. Given the role of a priest in hierarchy, I think it's fair to say there's some measure of authority rather than subjugation. Ultimately it's authority from God for His glory.
     >Rev 20:6 (KJV) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 19-May-2025 05:26:25 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     @lykanthrocide @BowsacNoodle @King_Noticer @SuperSnekFriend @flux_the_cat I'd say I agree with the ESV rendering of it, but Rev.1:6 cannot be separated from 1Pet.2:9 either way so translation methods are kinda moot here to me
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