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   Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: (admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net)'s status on Thursday, 08-May-2025 10:11:33 JST Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:

   I am still trying to understand and grasp the mentality: "I am angry about the actions of X, so I should be allowed to destroy the property of Y and Z." where Y and Z have little to nothing to do with X.

   Example 1: "I am angry about Musk and Doge, so I should be allowed to destroy the cars owned by Tom, Dick, and Harriett."

   Example 2: "I am angry about Palestine, so I should be allowed to destroy the library at Columbia University."

   How does this make any sense? Could someone explain it?

   If the musk haters were destroying musk's personal vehicles, I could see my way to understanding at least part of it, but destroying the private property of someone who bought a Tesla? Wrong target.

   ...unless I'm missing something?

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 08-May-2025 10:11:32 JST Fish of Rage

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     @admin universities that fund themselves from the military industrial complex are directly culpable
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 08-May-2025 10:25:38 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     @admin > Example 2: "I am angry about Palestine, so I should be allowed to destroy the library at Columbia University."
     
     Columbia University has done plenty lately. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250322-columbia-university-submits-to-us-government-demands-to-crack-down-on-pro-palestine-protest-in-return-for-400-million-in-funds/
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 08-May-2025 21:24:08 JST Fish of Rage

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     @admin they're a necessary part of the war production pipeline
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     Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: (admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net)'s status on Thursday, 08-May-2025 21:24:09 JST Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:

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     @sun

     Directly? In what way?

     Did Columbia accepting federal funds (which ALL universities in the US do) pull any triggers? Launch any missiles? Start the engines on any tanks?

     I am, of course, assuming you are equating "military-industrial complex" with the US Federal Government.. I'll grant there are ties between the two, but they are not one and the same.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 08-May-2025 21:46:53 JST Fish of Rage

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     @admin I'm being serious and I don't see what's so hard to understand about their actions. The university takes money from weapons companies for their engineering departments who then feed the weapons companies need for engineers. the process is currently very relevant to palestinians at universities so they are expressing their anger at the university doing that
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     Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: (admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net)'s status on Thursday, 08-May-2025 21:46:55 JST Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:

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     @sun

     Again, a general statement without any supporting information.

     How are colleges and universities a "necessary part of the war production pipeline"? Are their products (educated people, in this case) ONLY used for the "war production pipeline"? If not, then what percentage of their students end up engineering "weapons of war/defense"?

     Please clarify your point.

     Please understand that it's difficult to take anyone seriously, or assume that they're being serious, when they post from a domain such as "shitposter.world"... I can't tell if you're being serious (and, thus, engaging in discussion) or shitposting (and, thus, attempting to divert or misdirect the discussion, or simply waste time, like a discordian).

     If you're attempting to engage in actual conversation, then simple one-line statements do nothing to add understanding to your point of view - I can't glean from "X's actions came to this result" without understanding how you came to that conclusion. I can't tell if you're simply parroting views you've heard because they sound like they fit with your feelings, or if there's been any kind of real thought process behind your point.

     So, the hard question: are you wasting my time by shitposting, or are you trying to engage in real discussion?

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 08-May-2025 21:50:47 JST lainy

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     @admin @sun
     > Did Columbia accepting federal funds (which ALL universities in the US do) pull any triggers?
     
     i don't think that's true, i know at least hillsdale doesn't take federal or state support.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 08-May-2025 21:58:34 JST Fish of Rage

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     1) Are all weapons systems inherently evil?
     no, situationally however the big ones giving money to our universities are evil imo since they lobby politicians for purchases with public debt for unnecessary conflicts that kill a lot of innocent people
     
     2) Are weapons used to defend or deter attackers evil?
     they may come from an evil system even if you do good with them but most weapons are probably not intrinsically evil
     
     3) Are the things used to destroy the library at Columbia considered weapons?
     they are trying to discourage university participation in that process
     
     4) are the companies that produced the shoes used to stomp and break tables part of the military industrial complex?
     I think previous answers cover this
     
     5) are the companies which produced the cloth which was (in this case) used to try to shield the identities of the "protesters" at Columbia part of the military-industrial complex because they produced articles which were used for "stealth"?
     I don't necessarily support their actions, I just think they made a correct connection
     
     6) how far do we stretch the definitions in order to justify waging war on a university in order to protest the waging of war?
     I don't think I stretched them
     
     I hope I at least convinced you I am not trolling you
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     Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: (admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net)'s status on Thursday, 08-May-2025 21:58:35 JST Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:

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     @sun

     A couple of questions to clarify where you're coming from, so I understand your point of view.

     1) Are all weapons systems inherently evil?
     2) Are weapons used to defend or deter attackers evil?
     3) Are the things used to destroy the library at Columbia considered weapons?
     4) are the companies that produced the shoes used to stomp and break tables part of the military industrial complex?
     5) are the companies which produced the cloth which was (in this case) used to try to shield the identities of the "protesters" at Columbia part of the military-industrial complex because they produced articles which were used for "stealth"?
     6) how far do we stretch the definitions in order to justify waging war on a university in order to protest the waging of war?

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 08-May-2025 21:59:16 JST lainy

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     @admin @sun i think harvard and yale are private, but i think it doesn't change much.
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     Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: (admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net)'s status on Thursday, 08-May-2025 21:59:17 JST Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:

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     @lain

     That's a fair point. Perhaps I should've stated "all PUBLIC universities in the US"... Hillsdale, being a fully private institution, may not take federal funds - I don't know and haven't got the time to research that right now - however, what I stated applies to all public universities in the US, including UC Berkeley, Harvard, Yale, and others.
     Notre Dame is, AFAIK, fully private.. yet they produce engineers, too.

     @sun