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   H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 09:43:11 JST H. Faust
   The Fortnite movie
   The Skibidi movie
   The TikTok movie
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 09:43:09 JST Fish of Rage

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     @kakafarm @hfaust we watched some 80s movie for movie night last week and they were objectively better made movies
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     kakafarm (kakafarm@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 09:43:10 JST kakafarm

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     @hfaust The men-in-their-40s-and-50s-moaning-about-the-good-ol'-days-when-pop-culture-schmaltz-was-a-different-kind-of-terrible movie.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 09:58:00 JST Fish of Rage

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     @kakafarm @hfaust total throwaway movie but it actually felt like a movie not disconnected parts in a slog that most movies feel like now. I don't think every time period is equal and we're in decline.
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     kakafarm (kakafarm@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 09:58:01 JST kakafarm

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     @sun @hfaust Like what?
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     H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:08:09 JST H. Faust

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     @sun @kakafarm I think in that regard Mike and Jay are right, the 80s B-movies and cash grabs at least tried to make something endearing. IP mining like Minecraft and Mario are just park rides.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:10:05 JST Fish of Rage

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     @hfaust @kakafarm I am not knowledgeable enough to explain what I'm seeing but just like, the old movies often get all the basic storytelling "technicals" right while newer movies feel like they lost it.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:13:14 JST Fish of Rage

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     @hfaust @kakafarm the typical claim is that older movies are formulaic but can you really say that tons of modern movies aren't? they are both formulaic and fail the formula lol, like everything about these cash grab movies should be by the numbers but they're still not great even if people still go to see them since there's nothing better to do.
     
     you know what an exception appears to be? the sonic the hedgehog movies.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:14:58 JST Fish of Rage

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     @rain @hfaust @kakafarm I read a review of the third one where the person said they're a sonic fan and it seemed like they really wanted to make something fun and actually cared about the source material and pleasing the fans.
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     Rain (rain@melonbread.dev)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:14:59 JST Rain

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     @sun @hfaust @kakafarm The Sonic movies have only gotten better with each installment.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:16:22 JST Fish of Rage

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     @rain @hfaust @kakafarm it's amazing how if you put people in charge that don't literally hate the fans they can make something good. why is this such a high bar to hurdle?
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:21:20 JST Fish of Rage

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     • kakafarm
     @apropos @hfaust @kakafarm I think straight up institutional knowledge didn't get passed on and died out but I don't know.
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:21:24 JST of nothing

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     • kakafarm
     @sun @hfaust @kakafarm as for why, maybe digital editing got too easy to make the reshoot meta possible. Maybe digital production improved so fast that Hollywood's still very impressed by CGI and thinks this makes other elements of movies less important. Maybe fads like mystery boxes and cinematic universes were too successful despite cheating at the writing. Maybe a series of writer's strikes made it riskier to rely much on writers. The details I think you'd need a good historian to describe with insider reports, but the result I think is clear enough: the writing is always impressively bad.
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:21:25 JST of nothing

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     @sun @hfaust @kakafarm my feeling is that writers have gotten destroyed somehow as a profession - that the entire industry stopped regard writing as a serious activity that needed resources or attention, and decades ago switched to the biological equivalent of ChatGPTing it.
     >Lucas writes the prequel script in a weekend
     >Disney lets different directors write the script, and picks a guy whose only writing technique is mystery boxes who then just rehashes the original trilogy
     >scripts don't survive editing and reshoots and studio control in any case
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     Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?) (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:28:41 JST Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)

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     @sun @hfaust @kakafarm @rain so much of the sonic IP (in the west) is just fans who grew up with sonic. its still far away from "just let fans make everything" but it's been extremely healthy towards new fans.
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     kakafarm (kakafarm@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:29:57 JST kakafarm

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     @sun @apropos @hfaust I like this idea. Jonathan Blow had a talk about how technological regression happens, or somesuch - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRHeXYDLko
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:32:27 JST Fish of Rage

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     @apropos @hfaust @kakafarm a friend of mine notes that the quality of science fiction has really dropped off a cliff lately too though, I think even more things are going wrong than cost cutting
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:32:29 JST of nothing

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     @sun @hfaust @kakafarm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writers'_room
     >The "proliferation" of mini-rooms in the 2020s, partly as a cost-cutting measure by producers, was one of the major issues in the 2023 Writers Guild of America strike.[7] Historically, television seasons had so many episodes that writers' rooms worked on the later episodes while filming began on the first few episodes. Thus, writers had plenty of writing work to keep them busy, and were also able to provide extensive feedback on the production of early episodes and interact with cast and crew on set.[6][7] This traditional arrangement allowed them to gain valuable experience on the production side so they could then pitch their own shows and become showrunners someday.[6][7] The shift to shorter seasons for streaming series meant that mini-rooms would churn out an entire season of scripts first, then only the showrunner and one writer would remain with the series throughout principal photography to revise those scripts further as needed.[6][7] This shift meant less work and less money for writers, along with less opportunities to graduate to showrunner.[6][7]
     glad that my Dick Van Dyke knowledge matched up somewhat with reality, even if the only highlighted issues are very recent. You had huge writing rooms, which then probably gained many collaborative impairments from social issues, then got cut down to skeleton crews that let studios milk the experienced writers without ever raising new writers to replace them. I've seen this same thing in IT, where there was a gradual collapse in institutional knowledge.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:39:24 JST Fish of Rage

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     • kakafarm
     @apropos @hfaust @kakafarm yeah I think it's like duplicating a vhs tape and it keeps getting more degraded.
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:39:25 JST of nothing

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     @sun @hfaust @kakafarm science fiction novels? I bet there's a lot of the ouroboros problem there, also seen in gaming: the early works are based on worldly experience (in practicing science, in military service) and then later works are based on SF experience (in reading Asimov, in reading Heinlein).
     
     This was in in AngryJoe's criticism of the Minecraft movie: the writers had clearly prepared a list of "children's movie plot points" and those plot points too deliberately. Checking all the boxes but not having a vision of its own.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 10:41:52 JST Fish of Rage

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     @apropos @hfaust @kakafarm so like you had vaudeville then radio then film, tv is kind of tangential to the arc.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 07-Apr-2025 15:06:33 JST lainy

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     @hfaust skibidi is already a movie